Denna diskussion är för närvarande "vilande"—det sista inlägget är mer än 90 dagar gammalt. Du kan återstarta det genom att svara på inlägget.
1tomcatMurr
In praise of all art black and white: engravings, woodcuts, ink, etchings, etc.
Let's begin with more Masereel:
Let's begin with more Masereel:
2Existanai
Robert Mapplethorpe and the Classical Tradition: Photographs and Mannerist prints
An exhibition I saw on a rather chilly evening in late 2004 at the Moscow House of Photography. Tatyana Tolstoya was in attendance; nobody crowded her and she had a good look at some of the prints, but she didn't stay very long.
An exhibition I saw on a rather chilly evening in late 2004 at the Moscow House of Photography. Tatyana Tolstoya was in attendance; nobody crowded her and she had a good look at some of the prints, but she didn't stay very long.
3Existanai
A section of the Nine Dragons scroll, by Chen Rong - dated 1244
For the entire scroll, click here (large file).
For the entire scroll, click here (large file).
4tomcatMurr
OMFG
Swoon.
Swoon.
6Existanai
A torrid case of agalmatophilia?
A superficial search tells me this was the frontispiece for Joséphin Péladan's novel Curieuse, published 1885, which I'd never heard of previously.
Apart from the obvious charms of the feminine subject - I mean the fine etching - I particularly like what seems to be another couple blended into the sketch, in the lower right corner just above the signature, though it may simply be an unintentional illusion.
A superficial search tells me this was the frontispiece for Joséphin Péladan's novel Curieuse, published 1885, which I'd never heard of previously.
Apart from the obvious charms of the feminine subject - I mean the fine etching - I particularly like what seems to be another couple blended into the sketch, in the lower right corner just above the signature, though it may simply be an unintentional illusion.
7Nicole_VanK
Joséphin "Sâr" Péladan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9phin_P%C3%A9ladan - was a wonderful late 19th century French weirdo. He liked the art work of Rops a lot, and I know it was used as a frontispiece for one of his books. But Rops pr5obably didn't design / make it for the occasion.
(You might be right about the 1885 date though).
(You might be right about the 1885 date though).
8tomcatMurr
>6 Existanai: LOL I would never have noticed. What a fine eye you have, sir.
Barkingmatt: Do show more! I love Rops.
Barkingmatt: Do show more! I love Rops.
10MyopicBookworm
I haven't got time to get the hang of posting pictures, or I'd find a nice Beardsley print.
>9 DaynaRT: Very nice!
>9 DaynaRT: Very nice!
13Nicole_VanK
But one I really really love (though strictly not black & white), is this one from my collection by Jan Svankmajer
14LolaWalser
#12
There's either a theme to Rops or to your Rops-purchases... I'd steal that.
There's either a theme to Rops or to your Rops-purchases... I'd steal that.
16tomcatMurr
Oh God, I love that sphinx.
17Existanai
Tros, to show your pictures in-thread:
1) right-click on the picture, and select "Copy Image Address/Link/Location" etc. - it should look like this: http://pics.librarything.com/...gibberish.jpg
2) in the thread, type in <img src=> and paste the address right after the equal-to sign (Ctrl + V or right-click to choose Paste.) The final code will look like this:
<img src=http://pics.librarything.com/...gibberish.jpg>.
You can try to replace the links above with the respective code, and the pictures will show up.
I'll post the Otto Greiner from your gallery, if you don't mind - I find Greiner rather curious.
"Devil Showing Woman to the People"
Here is another version that hangs in a local gallery, and that I used to look at often:
1) right-click on the picture, and select "Copy Image Address/Link/Location" etc. - it should look like this: http://pics.librarything.com/...gibberish.jpg
2) in the thread, type in <img src=> and paste the address right after the equal-to sign (Ctrl + V or right-click to choose Paste.) The final code will look like this:
<img src=http://pics.librarything.com/...gibberish.jpg>.
You can try to replace the links above with the respective code, and the pictures will show up.
I'll post the Otto Greiner from your gallery, if you don't mind - I find Greiner rather curious.
"Devil Showing Woman to the People"
Here is another version that hangs in a local gallery, and that I used to look at often:
19tomcatMurr
Tros, I love your gallery!
20tomcatMurr
More Rops: The frontespiece to Baudelaire's Les Epaves
21tomcatMurr
Rops: Menu for a dinner given in Baudelaire's honour by Charles Neyt. Also present were Malassis (B's publisher), Glatigny, and Arthur Stevens. ('L'estampe Nouvelle 1911' was added to the print later, the print dates from 1865)
22tomcatMurr
Self portrait Alfred Stevens:
Felicien Rops by Charles Neyt:
Felicien Rops by Charles Neyt:
23tros
Nice, gato.
Haven't heard of Stevens, but I love litho and printmaking in general.
Beautiful technique.
Haven't heard of Stevens, but I love litho and printmaking in general.
Beautiful technique.
24Randy_Hierodule
7. Just a bit of useless memorabilia: Ruben Dario, an occasionally off-color wonderful late 19th century Nicaraguan weirdo, claimed (well, insinuated) Péladan plagiarized him.
25Nicole_VanK
Ah, the "wars" between the decadents. Another worthy subject. I love the J.K. Huysmans vs. Stanislas de Guaita episode.
26Nicole_VanK
Speaking of which, an illustration of the black mass from Le satanisme et la magie : Avec une étude de J.-K. Huysmans by Jules Bois (i'm the proud owner of a copy of the original 1895 edition)
I'll try to get a better picture, this one was grabbed from the net, but my scanner is on the blink.
edited to force touchstone
I'll try to get a better picture, this one was grabbed from the net, but my scanner is on the blink.
edited to force touchstone
27soniaandree
I like Beardsley's drawings, as I used to draw in Indian ink in the past:
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/snod/ABSalClimax4-400.jpg
One of the 'Salomé' drawings, for example.
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/snod/ABSalClimax4-400.jpg
One of the 'Salomé' drawings, for example.
28Randy_Hierodule
I would like to to know more about the garish activities of Stanislas de Guaita. Maurice Barrès, in his introduction to Monsieur Venus, mentions him as being in cenacle at a certain bar when the young Rachilde first entered upon the scene.
29Nicole_VanK
Most of what I know about him comes from more general works on French occultism. But I do know there is this monograph on him: "Stanislas de Guaita (1861-1898): Un Renovateur de L'Occultisme" by Maurice Barrès (ISBN: 1149704020)
p.s.: easily available through AbeBooks : http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=4143273006&searchurl=kn%3DS...
p.s.: easily available through AbeBooks : http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=4143273006&searchurl=kn%3DS...
30LolaWalser
Guaita was the crazy who challenged Huysmans to a mystical duel? "I will kill you with my minnnnnnd..."
31Nicole_VanK
Yeah. And he also - reportedly - faught a pistol duel with Jules Bois (see #26). Both guys missed :-)
33Nicole_VanK
Ah, Leonor... Another one of my favs.
34tomcatMurr
more black magic from Bois:
(sorry to beat you to it Matt, but I couldn't resist.)
(sorry to beat you to it Matt, but I couldn't resist.)
35tomcatMurr
and some more Fini:
Baudelaire would have loved this one.
Baudelaire would have loved this one.
36tomcatMurr
Ps, are they too big? shall I resize?
38LolaWalser
#36
Looks perfect to me.
Looks perfect to me.
39marietherese
Fini! One of my favourites! Murr, those are perfect. Do not resize (on pain of being henceforth ostracized and booted to Heaven. You know you don't want to go there!) Maybe in your honour, tomcat, I will change my LT avatar back to a Fini 'Somnambule', my very first profile photo here on LT (even Tim remarked on it back in the day, calling it "weird and cool". One of my dear friends said this particular "somnambule" (Fini did a bunch) reminded him especially of me because it appeared to depict an "alien nun". I think I like that...) Right now I have a very "black and white" Asano Kiichi maiko photo-quite appropriate for this thread.
I have a book called Black and White: Being the Early Illustrations of Maxfield Parrish. It's pretty nifty, somewhat Beardsley-like. Definitely something the decadent types might like to check out.
I need to figure out this gallery thing as I couldn't get my Photobucket account to work. Probably just using outdated html code or something. Is there a specific wiki or FAQ on LT for image posting? I couldn't find one.
I have a book called Black and White: Being the Early Illustrations of Maxfield Parrish. It's pretty nifty, somewhat Beardsley-like. Definitely something the decadent types might like to check out.
I need to figure out this gallery thing as I couldn't get my Photobucket account to work. Probably just using outdated html code or something. Is there a specific wiki or FAQ on LT for image posting? I couldn't find one.
40tros
http://www.librarything.com/pic/238841
Alfred Stevens - La Coquette 1878
Alfred Stevens - La Coquette 1878
41sqdancer
>39 marietherese:
Gallery Help Page:
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Gallery
Intructions for adding images to your posts:
http://www.librarything.com/talktopic.php?topic=35356
Gallery Help Page:
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Gallery
Intructions for adding images to your posts:
http://www.librarything.com/talktopic.php?topic=35356
42marietherese
tros @40: Stevens does great elbows. Really, I am seriously in love with his elbows. They are awesome.
sqdancer 41. Thanks! But is it just me or is the "sharing images" link not working? I can see how to upload them (and have done so) but the last two links on the FAQ don't go anywhere.
I am off to check out Existanai's tutorial on the other thread.
sqdancer 41. Thanks! But is it just me or is the "sharing images" link not working? I can see how to upload them (and have done so) but the last two links on the FAQ don't go anywhere.
I am off to check out Existanai's tutorial on the other thread.
43sqdancer
Yes, it seems that the last two sections on that FAQ page have not been completed. Most of the Help Wiki has been completed by members and it seems no one has gotten to that part yet.
44Nicole_VanK
> 34: No worries. BUT, those aren't actually from Bois. I know the first is from an edition of La Sorcière by Jules Michelet (I'm still trying to find out which and obtain a copy). The second looks early 16th century, probably German.
They're nice though.
They're nice though.
45Existanai
36>Ps, are they too big? shall I resize?
Certainly not, I happen to like my ladies this way.
Certainly not, I happen to like my ladies this way.
46Existanai
An antidote to all the sacrificial maidens:
On sale at Spaightwood Galleries in Upton, MA. Here is the complete listing:
Jan Saenredam (Dutch, c. 1565-1607), Jael and Sisera (Bartsch 107 iii). Engraving after Lucas van Leyden, 1600. Good impression on laid paper. Signed in the platemark. Small paper loss top right, repaired tear top. Trimmed on or within the plate. Good impression on laid paper. Image size: 285x210mm. Price: $2750.
$2750 is about half of what you'd pay for a new print by an emerging contemporary 'art' photographer, so it sounds like a good deal to me, but I have no idea how common these are. And of course, it's not as if I have that much lying around.
On sale at Spaightwood Galleries in Upton, MA. Here is the complete listing:
Jan Saenredam (Dutch, c. 1565-1607), Jael and Sisera (Bartsch 107 iii). Engraving after Lucas van Leyden, 1600. Good impression on laid paper. Signed in the platemark. Small paper loss top right, repaired tear top. Trimmed on or within the plate. Good impression on laid paper. Image size: 285x210mm. Price: $2750.
$2750 is about half of what you'd pay for a new print by an emerging contemporary 'art' photographer, so it sounds like a good deal to me, but I have no idea how common these are. And of course, it's not as if I have that much lying around.
47Existanai
While looking for more engravings I came across something by Metsu, and was reminded of this painting in a local gallery, which I always found rather mysterious but couldn't find much information on:
View Into a Hall with a Jester, a Girl and her Dog, ca. 1667, Gabriël Metsu (1629-1669)
Oil on canvas 67.6 x 50.8 cm
The colours of the original are more remarkable, the perspective of the corridor is alluring, and the gazes of the girl and the jester are indecipherable. They don't simply seem to be looking at you but also saying something, but what that is - and whether you're supposed to know it already, discover it, or acknowledge their gaze without any outward signs - all of that seems unfathomable.
View Into a Hall with a Jester, a Girl and her Dog, ca. 1667, Gabriël Metsu (1629-1669)
Oil on canvas 67.6 x 50.8 cm
The colours of the original are more remarkable, the perspective of the corridor is alluring, and the gazes of the girl and the jester are indecipherable. They don't simply seem to be looking at you but also saying something, but what that is - and whether you're supposed to know it already, discover it, or acknowledge their gaze without any outward signs - all of that seems unfathomable.
48Existanai
"Goltzius created some of the most spectacular pieces in the history of prints." - a detailed introduction at the Met Museum, with a gallery.
The Feast of the Gods at the Marriage of Cupid and Psyche, 1587:
(Click to visit a web page where you can zoom in.)
Hendrick Goltzius (Netherlandish, 1558–1617), after Bartholomeus Spranger (Netherlandish, 1546–1611). Engraving, printed from three plates on three attached sheets; second state of four.
And here's a very early De Chirico:
Kidding, of course. A print on sale at Grosvenor Prints in London - only £160 before VAT.
Listing:
Hondius, Henricus. Forum Modernis Aedificiis. Copper engraving. Plate 185 x 285mm. 7¼ x 11¼". (c.1740.) From "Les cinq rangs de l'architecture, a savoir, Tuscane, dorique, ionique, corinthiaque et composée avec l'instruction fondamentale." This book was an important Dutch contribution to the theory of perspective.
The Feast of the Gods at the Marriage of Cupid and Psyche, 1587:
(Click to visit a web page where you can zoom in.)
Hendrick Goltzius (Netherlandish, 1558–1617), after Bartholomeus Spranger (Netherlandish, 1546–1611). Engraving, printed from three plates on three attached sheets; second state of four.
And here's a very early De Chirico:
Kidding, of course. A print on sale at Grosvenor Prints in London - only £160 before VAT.
Listing:
Hondius, Henricus. Forum Modernis Aedificiis. Copper engraving. Plate 185 x 285mm. 7¼ x 11¼". (c.1740.) From "Les cinq rangs de l'architecture, a savoir, Tuscane, dorique, ionique, corinthiaque et composée avec l'instruction fondamentale." This book was an important Dutch contribution to the theory of perspective.
50LolaWalser
#49
And sexiness. The nape is a major erogenous zone in Japanese perception. Our marietherese layers on the tease with consummate skill!
And sexiness. The nape is a major erogenous zone in Japanese perception. Our marietherese layers on the tease with consummate skill!
51LolaWalser
Urania's goatlings, Gabrielle and Giselle:
52LolaWalser
Ha! Beat that, you devil-worshippers!
53Nicole_VanK
Sorry, but I refuse to beat animals. ;-)
54Existanai
Harry Clarke's illustrations for a 1923 edition of Poe's Tales of Mystery and Imagination, from the fantastic 50watts.com:
Many more at the link, and a separate post focused on close-ups.
(Edited to make the pictures a bit smaller. They can now be clicked for a larger version.)
Many more at the link, and a separate post focused on close-ups.
(Edited to make the pictures a bit smaller. They can now be clicked for a larger version.)
55Existanai
More from the above site. Respectively,
Hugo Steiner-Prag, 1916;
Charles Seliger, 1945; and
Adolf Hoffmeister, 1967
(Edited to make the pictures a bit smaller. Click for a larger version.)
Hugo Steiner-Prag, 1916;
Charles Seliger, 1945; and
Adolf Hoffmeister, 1967
(Edited to make the pictures a bit smaller. Click for a larger version.)
57Makifat
54
I recent purchased yet another volume of Poe's tales, as I could not resist the macabre Clarke illustrations. The dislocated ulna in the corpse ("The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar") is a nice touch.
I recent purchased yet another volume of Poe's tales, as I could not resist the macabre Clarke illustrations. The dislocated ulna in the corpse ("The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar") is a nice touch.
58tomcatMurr
There was talk in Another Place of Robida: Here are his visions of the future:
60LolaWalser
Oooh, I have Wesleyan U.'s edition of The twentieth century! I'll Praise It tomorrow. Interesting page layouts.
Heh, he nailed some things JUST SO! Cinema! And the Ipod!
Heh, he nailed some things JUST SO! Cinema! And the Ipod!
62Nicole_VanK
And, again from my collection:
Okay, not in B&W, but still graphic art. 'Le deuil de Salome' (Salome's Veil) - painting 1961, lithograph c. 1975 - by Félix Labisse (1905-1982) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Labisse
Okay, not in B&W, but still graphic art. 'Le deuil de Salome' (Salome's Veil) - painting 1961, lithograph c. 1975 - by Félix Labisse (1905-1982) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Labisse
64LolaWalser
Come onnnnnnn! UNcensor it! Only censorship is obscene!
Okay--it's true I once posted only a link to Courbet's L'origine du monde, but that was in a different thread, group and audience... ;)
Okay--it's true I once posted only a link to Courbet's L'origine du monde, but that was in a different thread, group and audience... ;)
65Nicole_VanK
I know, I know, this group is cool. But there's still the TOS.
66LolaWalser
Because Beardsley in the book thread reminded me of him, a Franz von Bayros:
67LolaWalser
What does the TOS say about snails?
68Nicole_VanK
Well, since LT staff seem to have a thing with cheese I guess they might like escargots too. Somehow I doubt it though. ;-)
69LolaWalser
Think they'll salt my snail? Pour cold water over it? Twist its horns? Smack it on the head? Or maybe just swallow it whole?
muahahahaha
muahahahaha
70tomcatMurr
lol
I agree, censorship is obscene. We are in hell already. Fabulous, especially the Rethel. Matt, I am increasingly envious of your collection.
I agree, censorship is obscene. We are in hell already. Fabulous, especially the Rethel. Matt, I am increasingly envious of your collection.
72SilentInAWay
Courbet's L'origine du monde
As an undergraduate, one of my professor's claimed that this painting, although not obscene in itself, became obscene for her at a conference. Apparently a (male) lecturer, after having discussed this particular painting in some academic context, forgot that the image was still displayed behind him as he spoke for twenty minutes on another topic...
I mention this not to argue whether or not the lecturer was obscenely insensitive (or obscenely idiotic), but rather to celebrate the sublime inappropriateness of his behavior. Imagine the discomfort that overtook that room of scholars as he droned on and on with that painting displayed behind him.
Hellfire Ho!
As an undergraduate, one of my professor's claimed that this painting, although not obscene in itself, became obscene for her at a conference. Apparently a (male) lecturer, after having discussed this particular painting in some academic context, forgot that the image was still displayed behind him as he spoke for twenty minutes on another topic...
I mention this not to argue whether or not the lecturer was obscenely insensitive (or obscenely idiotic), but rather to celebrate the sublime inappropriateness of his behavior. Imagine the discomfort that overtook that room of scholars as he droned on and on with that painting displayed behind him.
Hellfire Ho!
73LolaWalser
Discomfort? I'd have dissolved in giggles. Silly absent-minded perfessors.
74tomcatMurr
yeah me too. lol
Well, Lola, I guess that puts paid to our bizarre erotica thread.
:(
Well, Lola, I guess that puts paid to our bizarre erotica thread.
:(
75LolaWalser
Shall we test that hypothesis, cat? ;)
77LolaWalser
Now that gives me a thread idea.
79Randy_Hierodule
#64: You mean some TOSser might have taken issue with some of the stuff I'd put up? I had no idea! Speaking of curiosity about the origins of the world...: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lucesensibile/262233494/
It puts me in mind of a curiosity Flaubert noted regarding origins when he was down in the ..errr.. delta of the Nile. (C'est à toi, Mme. Tussaud...).
It puts me in mind of a curiosity Flaubert noted regarding origins when he was down in the ..errr.. delta of the Nile. (C'est à toi, Mme. Tussaud...).
80LolaWalser
I like how he leans in--is there light at the end of the tunnel?
What, what, what about Flaubert?
What, what, what about Flaubert?
81Randy_Hierodule
Noted, to his delight, no lawn on those fertile banks.
82LolaWalser
Oh.
Glabrous djebels.
Glabrous djebels.
83Randy_Hierodule
And halal!
84LolaWalser
Houri halva!
86PimPhilipse
Buonamico Buffalmacco. Inferno. Detail.
This is a so-called sinopie, a scetch in ochre of the final fresco, in true size. Photographed in the Museo delle Sinopie in Pisa.