PORIUS: A 3rd edition.

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PORIUS: A 3rd edition.

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jul 30, 2011, 1:03 pm

Welcome to the 3rd edition of PORIUS.

Redigerat: jul 30, 2011, 1:54 pm

I'm not sure if the following links made it onto the previous threads. The first I've found very helpful in those instances when I wanted to dig a bit deeper in the five chapters I've read so far. The second link is probably more interesting for those of you who've already completed the book.

Porius: A Reader's Companion

The Text of Porius: Corrections & Emendations both by W. J. Keith

jul 30, 2011, 10:44 pm

welcome to plainswriter who is joining us, welcome to the thread, to the salon and to LT!

Perhaps we could start with a quick role call of who is here, who has gone before and where you all are in the book?

As far as I know, Poquette, Bas and myself have finished. I'm sure we'll be happy to help others stumble though the woods.

jul 30, 2011, 10:47 pm

Plainswriter, you said in the previous thread you had questions. Fire away!

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:29 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:29 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

jul 30, 2011, 11:45 pm


A) It's pretty relaxed, read at your own pace, we don't have deadlines or anything like that. Some are reading faster than others. you can introduce topics for discussion however you like, someone will usually be around to respond, agree, disagree, etc. I"ll be on the thread until I know everyone has finished, even if it lasts until the end of the year.

I'm not sure if there is an online version of Porius. Most of us are reading the new, complete edition here:


There is an earlier Village Press edition, but this is heavily excised, so avoid that one.

Key references have been kindly provided by Salonista Porius and others in the early part of this thread here:


I especially recommend the companion linked to by EF in post 2 of this thread. you will find it indispensable, I know I did.

Hope this helps. Looking forward to your take on the book!

jul 31, 2011, 12:25 am

it saddens me to say that i can no longer take part in this discussion. i wish all of you the best of luck.

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:30 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:30 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

aug 2, 2011, 8:25 am

Holy Snit! Go on a little vacation and the gods go to war! What's a poor boy to do? Keep reading a great book, I suppose.

aug 2, 2011, 8:52 am

I'm still here T. looking forward to your thoughts on this great book!

aug 2, 2011, 9:05 am

Yipes, looks like I missed a lot. I'm still plugging away (at around page 500).

Anyone have any thoughts on the significance of trees? There's a lot of gnarled ash stumps cropping up throughout.

aug 2, 2011, 10:07 pm

trees are significant as part of the general topos of nature, I think, though there might be special mythological significance about the Ash tree. Dunno.

Redigerat: aug 2, 2011, 10:32 pm

I'm only about 100 pages in. I've no desire to rush through this, as each brief reading is so very dense with experience. It's going to be quite a while before I have anything worth saying, I'm afraid.

I did pick up a book on alchemy, and have spent a little time reading various sources online. It seems there's quite a gap between the syncretistic understanding of alchemy popular with the esotericism of the 19th and early 20th centuries (the forbear of today's new-age syncretism) and historical alchemy. Alchemical traditions exist in many cultures, where there is a merging of metaphysics and experimental science. Christians, Muslims, Jews, of course, but also Chinese, though apparently not related by shared influences with Occidental and Near East traditions.

Anyway, just this for now.


P.s. Welcome Plainswriter. Thanks to you, I am no longer the last to join the fun.

aug 2, 2011, 10:36 pm

Murr, if I could only stretch my memory back far enough to my readings in Irish myth I'd suggest certain connections with particular trees. My memory is failing me, however. Something related to ogham floats around up there in the foggy gray matter, but this is perhaps unique to the Irish?

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:31 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

aug 3, 2011, 9:06 am

I think P removed all his recent posts when things got nasty.

Just focus on the early part of the thread, I think. That's where all the most useful and relevant information is.

There is lots of numerology in Porius (the book), as you will see when you start reading, especially between 2, 3 and 4, and 7.

aug 3, 2011, 10:37 am

I did not remove an important resource T. Just some nonsense from the flap. I won't remove anything important to the read.

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:31 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

aug 4, 2011, 2:40 pm

we are in the doldrums
stay cool and have a drink

aug 4, 2011, 4:40 pm

I'm reading. Slowly. No more than 10 pages per day, usually. I don't think I've ever read more than one chapter of Porious in a sitting.

aug 4, 2011, 5:08 pm

I'm back to reading, also slowly. I'm up to chapter VI.

Redigerat: aug 7, 2011, 5:47 pm

I have just reached the scene wherein Porius closes the canvas flaps against the wind, but leaves it loose in parts. Later, Myrddin is gazing through the slit in the canvas (it seemed strikingly vaginal to me in a cosmic sense), and then a horse and a cow poke their heads through. This is oddly unnoticed by the others. The opposition of male/female, of the generative imagery, and the appearance of horse and cow from out of it strikes me as deeply participating in alchemical symbology. (The animal heads popping through the slit in the canvas strikes me as absurd and quite funny when I was taking it as a possible vagina symbol.)

I only wish I had a feeling for the meaning behind the symbols. The cow and horse put me in mind of the bull and mule of Christian Nativity iconography.

Anyone with thoughts on this? And just for the sake of disclosure, I haven't read your lengthy essay, yet, Murr. I wanted to finish Porius first, before indulging myself in it.

Redigerat: aug 27, 2011, 1:32 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

aug 10, 2011, 6:05 am

25> Don't let the 'difficulty of Porius' influence you. It's slow going only in that the plot is long drawn out and the paragraphs rich in imagery and meaning, to put it sloppily. I had a week of ten pages a day, a few days of three or four chapters a day, and finally put it down due to a trip to India. I am know finishing a history of India post-Gandhi and will dive, yes DIVE, back into Porius.

That is to say, the book is not difficult to read sentence by sentence and you can spend as much time as you like savoring, investigating, and so on. you can overtake many of us easily if you have a little time.

aug 10, 2011, 6:24 am

>24 Tuirgin: Tuirgin, I love your vaginal slit!

Mmm. Perhaps I should rephrase that....

I love your idea of the vaginal slit in a cosmic sense. I'm sure there's something to it. and the notion of the cow and the horse = the ox and the ass of the nativity, I'm sure you're right there too. I loved that whole scene in the tent, and the way JCP describes the tent itself as a kind of giant red fungus.

Don't worry about my review, focus on the book, old chap.

aug 10, 2011, 9:45 am

>24 Tuirgin: Tuirgin, I love your vaginal slit!

(Some things simply need repeating)

aug 10, 2011, 4:29 pm

I started late and am proceeding very slowly, only about 100 pages in.

aug 10, 2011, 5:44 pm

27,28> {coughchoke} Um, yeah! Thanks for noticing!

29> Been very busy at work with little brain left for reading lately. I'm only at 120 pages.

jan 11, 2012, 1:59 pm

'A bronze disk recently discovered in the mud near the Putney Bridge in London seemed innocent enough, but on close inspection it has turned out to be one of the oldest pieces of British pornographic art'--That's hilarious. What, does one at first assume the first pushup required the two backed beast? Well...it's not called a push down is it...

jan 11, 2012, 2:08 pm


jan 11, 2012, 5:26 pm


Question: Do we praise Henri Etta as well?

jan 11, 2012, 6:18 pm

i will praise the motherfucker