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I finally finished it yesterday! It's been a crazy week since I got it. I'm with pwaites on this one. I liked it a lot but it was harder for me to get into than any of the other watch books AND I missed the rest of the Watch. I think it might be one of those (like 'Monstrous Regiment') that become so much more brilliant the second time you read it through. I tend to rush and miss important stuff. It wasn't as much of a whodunnit as the usual Watch books and the lack of a goblin to get into the head of detracted from the story IMHO. Remember Dorfl and 'Feet of Clay'? That is the same kind of pathos we should've been feeling here.
I still really really liked it! It had some wonderful comedic moments and as always the mentions of "fanny" which everyone in the book cracks up about leave me somewhat mystified (as an Indian/American fan) but which I have understood through context.
On a side note, who thinks Lord Vetinari will marry the crosswords lady from the AM times *just* so he can win the crossword everyday?
And on this note, I give you: http://www.librarything.com/topic/126086 to discuss your favourite Discworld books.
Definitely better than Unseen Academicals, although I reckon it suffers from exactly the same thing that I commented on in the UA thread – there’s a formula he’s following now. I think I would have enjoyed this one much more if UA didn’t exist.
And I’m with those who’ve commented on the characters being a bit lightly drawn. The closest thing we got to a new character was Stinky, and he was pretty two-dimensional. And our villain didn’t even manage to be that much! Who the heck was he? How did he come to be there, and why did he do the things he did?
But yes, even when not writing at 100%, Pterry still kicks the backside of virtually every other author I can think of, fantasy or otherwise.
Yep agree with that. It's a shame as Vimes was great in that regard, wheras now its all a bit obvious. Although I did like the Bronte references.
It is a lot more obvious now though. I liked Tears of the Mushroom and Young Sam a lot. Snuff ambled a lot. I really do think it will improve on a second read. I think I suffer from expectations now.
What about the Death novels? They aren't generally about death at all. Somehow they seem closer to the witch ones, about the oddities of the cultural concepts.
Hmm, the Death novels are more about humanisation, I would say (even though I don't think that is a word). Sort of like the TV show Being Human where you try to live human (especially Susan) even though you are other. The early Death books were about him being human, really. I wonder if the Being Human people ever read Terry Pratchett.
I somewhat disagree. The underlying themes are the same for Witches, Watch, and Death: they're ALL about making choices and the necessity for doing so. Exploring, if you will, how those choices define not only our Selves, but our position in the (Disc)world. Granny Weatherwax said it quite plainly when she was forced to choose between a mother's life and her newborn infant's. Vimes is constantly railing against the status quo, choosing to follow his sometimes-naive view of How Things Ought To Be; and Death...well, Death is constantly emulating the free will to make those choices that humanity has but he's not supposed to (this is why the Auditors dislike him so intensely...though of course they'd never admit to such an emotion).
The reason I rank Terry Pratchett as my favorite author is because his novels can be read on many different levels...silly comedic fantasy, pithy social commentary, introduction to various classic novels/authors, incisive views on the human condition...
I could not possibly agree more.
So, in general I agree with most of the above. I truly did enjoy the story and the Vimes focus, but for me, the Watch is all about Vimes. I feel a strong pull go go back and read Guards! Guards! again. I loved Sibyl and young Vimes in this one, also Willikins (sp?). I enjoyed the Goblins, kept comparing their story to that of the native American history here in the area I was raised, where Ishi lived and died. It is a truly sad tale, and resonated with me.
What I missed; the spewing coffee humor or insane giggles that Pratchett has been known to induce in me. Still, I enjoyed it and was amused, felt it was a fun read. It did seem to be a straight forward story, not as complex as some past novels, but I don't mind that. I do agree about the preachy feel, or as ArmyAngel so adequately expressed, the hamfisted-ness of the point.
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