Spam reporting thread #29
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1gilroy
PROCEDURES FOR REPORTING SPAM
Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
Specific procedures:
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Spam#Procedures_for_flagging_and_repo....
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
Specific procedures:
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Spam#Procedures_for_flagging_and_repo....
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
3rsterling
Shouldn't spam profile comments left by spammers also go away when spammers do? This spammer was probably suspended a while ago, so maybe things didn't work that way before. Do they now?
Anyhow, here's the already gone spammer:
https://www.librarything.com/profile/TOMASHOBESHOUSE
And here's the legacy library where he left a spam link (DON'T flag this profile): https://www.librarything.com/profile/JosephPriestley. Could staff delete the spam comment?
Anyhow, here's the already gone spammer:
https://www.librarything.com/profile/TOMASHOBESHOUSE
And here's the legacy library where he left a spam link (DON'T flag this profile): https://www.librarything.com/profile/JosephPriestley. Could staff delete the spam comment?
4SylviaC
>3 rsterling: I think the other comment on that legacy library is hilarious.
7Peace2
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178181#
http://www.librarything.com/profile/joyafor
(This one didn't even get the links working properly *sigh*)
http://www.librarything.com/profile/joyafor
(This one didn't even get the links working properly *sigh*)
14Peace2
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178264
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf94
And userf is back again!
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf94
And userf is back again!
15.Monkey.
Can userfN really not be blocked as a name?? I mean, sure, they could just choose something else, but, after 94 iterations, really??
162wonderY
Since they can permanently ban members, I'd have thought they could block the source machine address, unless userfN is bouncing geographically.
18Peace2
As fast as we flag they create a new one
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf95
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178265
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf95
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178265
19MarthaJeanne
And as fast as they create new ones we flag.
21Peace2
>19 MarthaJeanne: So true :D
22MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/groups/makesuretheprotected
http://www.librarything.com/profile/puja197
Is it unreasonable to think that even spammers ought to be able to write a clear papagraph about their products if they want to post here?
http://www.librarything.com/profile/puja197
Is it unreasonable to think that even spammers ought to be able to write a clear papagraph about their products if they want to post here?
27Meredy
>22 MarthaJeanne: I don't know much about spamming, but isn't it likely that these posters are working for some sort of SEO outfit (probably from overseas) and getting paid a pittance for the posts they manage to place and/or the hits they generate? They're probably not selling anything themselves, and they probably don't care if they're coherent or readable as long as they register long enough to score.
28MarthaJeanne
That was spam for an Indian moving company, and the text may have been an attempt to avoid using words that screening software would catch, but the result was quite ridiculous. There were several not quite appropriate synonyms for moving, but not the standard ones.
30razzamajazz
They never give up.
37timspalding
Sorry about spam not closing in last 18 hours. A process got stuck. Unstuck now.
41rsterling
Some cases for staff to deal with (DON'T flag these profiles):
There's a bunch of authors and publishers promoting their books via events on the LT Local page for Amazon. The "events" are book release dates, or free Kindle offers, or just simple ads to buy the book on Amazon. Surely that's all against the TOC and not what Local events are for. Most or all are LT Authors.
https://www.librarything.com/venue/83599/Amazon-com
These are the authors/publishers doing it:
https://www.librarything.com/profile/w.e.kaiyoetay
https://www.librarything.com/profile/CrescoBooks
https://www.librarything.com/profile/SaraLunardi
https://www.librarything.com/author/bergerfrancis
https://www.librarything.com/profile/91canderson
https://www.librarything.com/profile/denishickey
https://www.librarything.com/profile/Brian_Terenna
https://www.librarything.com/profile/Shidorr
https://www.librarything.com/profile/mys54
There's a bunch of authors and publishers promoting their books via events on the LT Local page for Amazon. The "events" are book release dates, or free Kindle offers, or just simple ads to buy the book on Amazon. Surely that's all against the TOC and not what Local events are for. Most or all are LT Authors.
https://www.librarything.com/venue/83599/Amazon-com
These are the authors/publishers doing it:
https://www.librarything.com/profile/w.e.kaiyoetay
https://www.librarything.com/profile/CrescoBooks
https://www.librarything.com/profile/SaraLunardi
https://www.librarything.com/author/bergerfrancis
https://www.librarything.com/profile/91canderson
https://www.librarything.com/profile/denishickey
https://www.librarything.com/profile/Brian_Terenna
https://www.librarything.com/profile/Shidorr
https://www.librarything.com/profile/mys54
42timspalding
Hmm. Weird. Nobody is going to see it. Amazon isn't anywhere people are. (I think they're putting the location in the geographic center of the US, because the address only has a country.)
I propose we come up with a little note for them, and post it to their profiles. What do you think?
I propose we come up with a little note for them, and post it to their profiles. What do you think?
43MarthaJeanne
The fact that it has taken so long for this to be reported shows that you're right about people not seeing it. But they certainly do need to be told even a year after the fact that this is not acceptable.
44razzamajazz
Should these author members be told that such "promotions" were allowed?
49Lyndatrue
>42 timspalding: Since it still seems to be ongoing, and it's mostly been populated by what I'd call hit-and-run authors (the type that even review their own books), I'd prefer to delete the venue, with a note to the original creator (who seems like an otherwise nice person) to please not recreate it.
I'd say that most of the authors up there are ones who will never see your little note.
What's weird is that an event on that venue is still showing, even though it's over. That's from the author on the first link (who was also a reviewer for his own book).
https://www.librarything.com/profile/w.e.kaiyoetay
Venues should be real places.
I'd say that most of the authors up there are ones who will never see your little note.
What's weird is that an event on that venue is still showing, even though it's over. That's from the author on the first link (who was also a reviewer for his own book).
https://www.librarything.com/profile/w.e.kaiyoetay
Venues should be real places.
50lesmel
>49 Lyndatrue: If venues should be real places, why is there an option for "Online and other non-places" as a venue type?
51Lyndatrue
>50 lesmel: Dunno. The only place I've seen that was an online venue is the one Tim had pointed out. Not saying there aren't others, but it does seem to defeat the idea of "Local" in that case.
Maybe Tim will start a thread elsewhere (spam fighting probably doesn't need this segue), and explain what was originally intended by the "Online and other non-places" venue type.
Maybe Tim will start a thread elsewhere (spam fighting probably doesn't need this segue), and explain what was originally intended by the "Online and other non-places" venue type.
52lorax
51>
See http://www.librarything.com/topic/121782 for the backstory. It was mostly about the "From where" feature.
See http://www.librarything.com/topic/121782 for the backstory. It was mostly about the "From where" feature.
53MarthaJeanne
Maybe online venues should not have events. Interviews and such can have links on the author page. they can usually be viewed for a longer period of time.
56lilithcat
"Author" and "books" appear to be commercial spam:
http://www.librarything.com/author/lilybethgolf
http://www.librarything.com/profile/lilybethgolf
http://www.librarything.com/work/15209504 (note "review": http://www.librarything.com/work/15209504/reviews)
http://www.librarything.com/work/15187891
http://www.librarything.com/pic/4479538
http://www.librarything.com/author/lilybethgolf
http://www.librarything.com/profile/lilybethgolf
http://www.librarything.com/work/15209504 (note "review": http://www.librarything.com/work/15209504/reviews)
http://www.librarything.com/work/15187891
http://www.librarything.com/pic/4479538
61Lyndatrue
>60 razzamajazz: Man, you really confused me (easy to do, when I first wake up). Both your links have typos in them.
Comma between librarything and com
http://www.librarything,com/profile/rickymassey
No dot com at all
http://www.librarything/topic/178504
They were still handled, of course. Just saving a few minutes for the next person who clicks without looking.
Comma between librarything and com
http://www.librarything,com/profile/rickymassey
No dot com at all
http://www.librarything/topic/178504
They were still handled, of course. Just saving a few minutes for the next person who clicks without looking.
63MarthaJeanne
There is a spam book, too. How do you flag that?
http://www.librarything.com/work/15211937/111192573
http://www.librarything.com/work/15211937/111192573
64lesmel
I think we have a troll or maybe just an asshat. Flaggable?
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178507#4790514
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178498#4790512
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Chriselda
Edited: Added the link to the profile
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178507#4790514
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178498#4790512
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Chriselda
Edited: Added the link to the profile
65.Monkey.
The posts are flaggable (there's a few more as well), not sure about the user though, I think that needs official input.
66gilroy
They've been here since Sept of 2013, only entered one book in their library... Kinda curious if they got hacked.
67.Monkey.
The book was entered now, and doesn't have any real info. Why would someone hack an empty account when they could simply make one?
68Lyndatrue
>67 .Monkey.: I don't think this is an account that's been hacked. I'd bet money that it's been used, off and on, and that it just now became noticeable. The book isn't even a real book (it's a combination of two random titles).
69MarthaJeanne
Tim has removed that member.
70lilithcat
> 63
Looks like it's been suppressed now, but, for future reference, you can flag a spam book by going to the editions page, where you'll see a "flag this work" option.
Looks like it's been suppressed now, but, for future reference, you can flag a spam book by going to the editions page, where you'll see a "flag this work" option.
71MarthaJeanne
I searched Help and found it. I don't do it often enough to remember.
76fyrfly
https://www.librarything.com/profile/bonzoi
This person joined today, apparently to bait members.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/172093#4790666
"What rubbish u guys read."
Funny! That topic isn't about books.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/158617#4791560
https://www.librarything.com/topic/178495#4791565
I was tempted to poke it with a stick. Playfully.
Maybe this isn't considered spam. I did not flag.
Sorry for posting this here.
This person joined today, apparently to bait members.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/172093#4790666
"What rubbish u guys read."
Funny! That topic isn't about books.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/158617#4791560
https://www.librarything.com/topic/178495#4791565
I was tempted to poke it with a stick. Playfully.
Maybe this isn't considered spam. I did not flag.
Sorry for posting this here.
772wonderY
>76 fyrfly: Sounds a lot like Chriselda from yesterday. I think the pattern makes it flaggable.
Here's another:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/177098#
Here's another:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/177098#
78fyrfly
>77 2wonderY: Thank you. I think you're right.
79MarthaJeanne
If this person thinks we are wasting our time here, how much more must it be a waste of time to read and comment on that!
81razzamajazz
Bonzoi sound more like "Bonzo the Clown".
He/she, a looney who hated books and suffering from a freak phobia of book titles?
He/she, a looney who hated books and suffering from a freak phobia of book titles?
88aeclark
Does the system shut down when they get to "100"?
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf99
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178584
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userf99
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178584
90lilithcat
Spam book: http://www.librarything.com/work/15216791
Spam author pic: http://www.librarything.com/pic/4483650
Spam member: http://www.librarything.com/profile/GregoryPitts
Pity the "author" can't be flagged, too: http://www.librarything.com/author/gregorypitts
Spam author pic: http://www.librarything.com/pic/4483650
Spam member: http://www.librarything.com/profile/GregoryPitts
Pity the "author" can't be flagged, too: http://www.librarything.com/author/gregorypitts
96zjakkelien
Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.
105razzamajazz
A kind of computer art.
www.scottdraves.com/sheep.html
www.electricsheep.org/about
www.scottdraves.com/sheep.html
www.electricsheep.org/about
109henkl
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178653#
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userg1
So now they started Userg
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Userg1
So now they started Userg
123Mr.Durick
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178709#
http://www.librarything.com/profile/llsonlet45
Odd time of day for it.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/llsonlet45
Odd time of day for it.
1262wonderY
Another great profile name lost to a spammer
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178730
http://www.librarything.com/profile/ferrarock
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178730
http://www.librarything.com/profile/ferrarock
129MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178776
is at least the third spam message by
http://www.librarything.com/profile/teh323
is at least the third spam message by
http://www.librarything.com/profile/teh323
142MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/groups/partylikeyoloaugust5
http://www.librarything.com/profile/hytyju
This one was flagged away yesterday, and is down to three flags again.
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178693#4795918
http://www.librarything.com/profile/hytyju
This one was flagged away yesterday, and is down to three flags again.
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178693#4795918
147divinenanny
Potentially useful spam, without a link, but still spam:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/178840
https://www.librarything.com/profile/wedding123
ETA: And if it is deleted before you can check, it had advice on how to fix a high heeled shoe
https://www.librarything.com/topic/178840
https://www.librarything.com/profile/wedding123
ETA: And if it is deleted before you can check, it had advice on how to fix a high heeled shoe
153lilithcat
http://www.librarything.com/profile/scafe1 - it's a packaging company
http://www.librarything.com/pic/4490505 - added a spam picture to a legit author
http://www.librarything.com/pic/4490505 - added a spam picture to a legit author
1542wonderY
author too much love
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178868
she's been a member for 2 years, but it's just a page to pimp her book.
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178868
she's been a member for 2 years, but it's just a page to pimp her book.
155Taphophile13
Just saw that too.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/unrealeducation
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178868
I think it's interesting that she states she has grown children but the topic she started says something about her child entering kindergarten.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/unrealeducation
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178868
I think it's interesting that she states she has grown children but the topic she started says something about her child entering kindergarten.
156lilithcat
> 155
I think that's because her book seems to be about her son's difficulties in the educational system beginning with kindergarten. " . . .a true story, 19 years in the making, of how one boy's academic struggles led to his success . . .
Grown now, but the book begins when he's in kindergarten.
I think that's because her book seems to be about her son's difficulties in the educational system beginning with kindergarten. " . . .a true story, 19 years in the making, of how one boy's academic struggles led to his success . . .
Grown now, but the book begins when he's in kindergarten.
159MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/groups/pttrikyjayaabadijual
http://www.librarything.com/profile/adw69
The profile needs to get taken care of quickly.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/adw69
The profile needs to get taken care of quickly.
168MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/topic/178940
http://www.librarything.com/groups/sanalposturk
http://www.librarything.com/profile/yaseenreza
Google translate says it's about accepting credit cards on your website.
http://www.librarything.com/groups/sanalposturk
http://www.librarything.com/profile/yaseenreza
Google translate says it's about accepting credit cards on your website.
189Mr.Durick
https://www.librarything.com/groups/amazingbigbrotherusa
https://www.librarything.com/profile/ghryhr
And the poster's other groups
https://www.librarything.com/profile/ghryhr
And the poster's other groups
195MarthaJeanne
>194 andyl: I'm seeing more like that one recently: put up a nonsense, but not spam topic, and add the spam a minute or two later.
I don't think it will do them any good!
I don't think it will do them any good!
221razzamajazz
Cancelled
222MarthaJeanne
>220 Louve_de_mer: And lots more books with that member/author. I've done some.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Neolinktech
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Neolinktech
223Louve_de_mer
>222 MarthaJeanne: I found the work through the translation page and didn't think to explore the member's whole library. Sorry.
227lilithcat
Over-enthusiastic author shilling his book:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179144
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179143
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179144
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179143
248Meredy
>247 MsMaryAnn: Are we sure that qualifies as spam? The profile is 2 years old. I'm wondering if the for-sale post is more like a misjudgment.
Just asking. Most of the time spammers' flagged posts and profiles are gone before I can look at them, so I don't get to see and learn from what others are flagging.
Just asking. Most of the time spammers' flagged posts and profiles are gone before I can look at them, so I don't get to see and learn from what others are flagging.
249MarthaJeanne
That group usually tolerates this sort of thing. I wouldn't flag it unless group members request it.
250MsMaryAnn
I thought this was a commercial solicitation. Of course I will unflag and defer to the groups judgment.
251MarthaJeanne
Almost any other group I'd have flagged it, too.
256lilithcat
More live streaming junk:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179266
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Raymondcrow49
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179266
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Raymondcrow49
262JackieCarroll
Do you think this is spam?
I started to flag it, but it has no flag option.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/179311
I think it's a type 2.
I started to flag it, but it has no flag option.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/179311
I think it's a type 2.
263MarthaJeanne
You click on 'more' to get the flag option.
265JackieCarroll
Thanks. I was clicking "more" under my post instead of the OP. I see it now.
266MarthaJeanne
You can't flag your own post. Although some spammers do post in this group.
277r.orrison
I deleted venue https://www.librarything.com/venue/93793/iPhone-Lafayette and flagged profile https://www.librarything.com/profile/iphonelafayette
2782wonderY
>277 r.orrison: Thanks for listing the profile. Once the venue is gone, the profile can't be reached.
279kuuderes_shadow
Before I start, yes I am doing this back-to-front. And yes, I know I should have probably posted this here first. And no, I'm not complaining that this was voted down.
Anyway, earlier today I proposed http://www.librarything.com/work/14995454 as a spam work, and it got voted as not spam by 5 votes to 1 in no short order.
Before this, I had never proposed something as spam, and never voted on anything that wasn't obviously either spam or not spam, so I can't say I'm altogether sure how the system works, but I checked through the guidelines first and:
* The work does not exist
* The work is not combined with any real work
* The work is listed by a 'legitimate' user, but was probably added by them as a joke/troll attempt.
My questions:
1. Why is this not considered to be spam? Is it just because it is on the list of someone whose other entries are legitimate ones?
2. What should be done with the entry if anything? And if nothing, why? And what's to stop the site from being flooded with non-existant joke entries like this one?
Anyway, earlier today I proposed http://www.librarything.com/work/14995454 as a spam work, and it got voted as not spam by 5 votes to 1 in no short order.
Before this, I had never proposed something as spam, and never voted on anything that wasn't obviously either spam or not spam, so I can't say I'm altogether sure how the system works, but I checked through the guidelines first and:
* The work does not exist
* The work is not combined with any real work
* The work is listed by a 'legitimate' user, but was probably added by them as a joke/troll attempt.
My questions:
1. Why is this not considered to be spam? Is it just because it is on the list of someone whose other entries are legitimate ones?
2. What should be done with the entry if anything? And if nothing, why? And what's to stop the site from being flooded with non-existant joke entries like this one?
281Lyndatrue
>279 kuuderes_shadow: Where did you even *see* this work? Before I add other comments/questions, the work itself is not spam. There are tons of things that are not books, and are here on LT, and the people who are using LT to catalog them are very happy that it's possible to do so.
Did this work show up somewhere, being promoted by either the person who added it, or the author? The book was added to the library on May 12th, and it might just be that there's a typo, or other error.
You shouldn't *do* anything, far as I can tell. I suspect that there will be other people responding to this while I'm typing, but in case there aren't, I may come back and add even more.
(Edited)
Please note the work, and the add date:
http://www.librarything.com/catalog/wickedshizuku&collection=-1&deepsear...
Since it's a free account, all those books were added at once. The user may not have been back since adding them. Honestly, I don't believe that there was (or is) anything that needs doing. You could always try to guess what book it was that wickedshizuku was trying to add, and then combine this work in with it. You could also just ignore it.
Perhaps this is a question best left up to staff, but it's not spam. Really.
Did this work show up somewhere, being promoted by either the person who added it, or the author? The book was added to the library on May 12th, and it might just be that there's a typo, or other error.
You shouldn't *do* anything, far as I can tell. I suspect that there will be other people responding to this while I'm typing, but in case there aren't, I may come back and add even more.
(Edited)
Please note the work, and the add date:
http://www.librarything.com/catalog/wickedshizuku&collection=-1&deepsear...
Since it's a free account, all those books were added at once. The user may not have been back since adding them. Honestly, I don't believe that there was (or is) anything that needs doing. You could always try to guess what book it was that wickedshizuku was trying to add, and then combine this work in with it. You could also just ignore it.
Perhaps this is a question best left up to staff, but it's not spam. Really.
282MarthaJeanne
I would say that it was voted down because it is not spam. It isn't trying to sell anything. People are free to add nonexistant works if they want to. And non-books ...
Besides, it could be this : http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Film-Vol-1000-Limited-Comic/dp/B00B84P3XQ/ref=sr_1_2...
I have a few books in my catalogue that have never been available to the public. There is no way to be absolutely sure that a work 'doesn't exist'.
Besides, it could be this : http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Film-Vol-1000-Limited-Comic/dp/B00B84P3XQ/ref=sr_1_2...
I have a few books in my catalogue that have never been available to the public. There is no way to be absolutely sure that a work 'doesn't exist'.
283lilithcat
> 279
I'm guessing people aren't voting it as spam because there is nothing obvious to indicate that it is spam, and the general rule is to err on the side of assuming a work is not spam. You say "the work does not exist", but I don't know that to be true. Could you explain why you think that? Why do you think it's a joke?
I'm guessing people aren't voting it as spam because there is nothing obvious to indicate that it is spam, and the general rule is to err on the side of assuming a work is not spam. You say "the work does not exist", but I don't know that to be true. Could you explain why you think that? Why do you think it's a joke?
284kuuderes_shadow
I saw the work when on the author combine/separate page, going through and combining different versions of various volumes from the series to tidy it up.
As for why I think it's a joke, the series in question is at 75 volumes, with no end in sight, and with volumes still consistently selling millions of copies within a week of release, there's a fairly standard joke that the series will never end. Let's just say there are a lot of people out there who would create an entry like volume 1000 of the series for a joke.
The fact that it is assigned to a prolific and very well known mangaka means that there's little chance of it being some entry that noone has heard of, as it could have been if the author was relatively unknown, or even just someone who wasn't known to spend >7000 hours per year working on their main series.
Of course, yes, it could have been a strange typo or something like Martha listed. I repeat that I am not complaining that the entry was voted down - and I am perfectly willing to accept arguments for its validity. The more important of the two questions (by far) was the second one - as in, how an entry that is either known or believed to be added as a joke should be dealt with.
As for why I think it's a joke, the series in question is at 75 volumes, with no end in sight, and with volumes still consistently selling millions of copies within a week of release, there's a fairly standard joke that the series will never end. Let's just say there are a lot of people out there who would create an entry like volume 1000 of the series for a joke.
The fact that it is assigned to a prolific and very well known mangaka means that there's little chance of it being some entry that noone has heard of, as it could have been if the author was relatively unknown, or even just someone who wasn't known to spend >7000 hours per year working on their main series.
Of course, yes, it could have been a strange typo or something like Martha listed. I repeat that I am not complaining that the entry was voted down - and I am perfectly willing to accept arguments for its validity. The more important of the two questions (by far) was the second one - as in, how an entry that is either known or believed to be added as a joke should be dealt with.
285lilithcat
> 284
If it's merely believed to be a joke, leave it alone. Known to be a joke, probably also leave it alone. It's really commercial spam that we're concerned about.
Here's the definition of a spam work:
An illegitimate item added in order to direct someone to an external website or otherwise buy something.
A illegitimate item added in order to hang some other spam data, like a spam review.
Note that "joke", like "stuffed bobcat", is not included.
If it's merely believed to be a joke, leave it alone. Known to be a joke, probably also leave it alone. It's really commercial spam that we're concerned about.
Here's the definition of a spam work:
An illegitimate item added in order to direct someone to an external website or otherwise buy something.
A illegitimate item added in order to hang some other spam data, like a spam review.
Note that "joke", like "stuffed bobcat", is not included.
288Nicole_VanK
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179385
http://www.librarything.com/profile/vanmanlondon1
http://www.librarything.com/work/15259626/111794281
Plus: http://www.librarything.com/author/vanmanlondon - but I don't think there's anything we can do about that.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/vanmanlondon1
http://www.librarything.com/work/15259626/111794281
Plus: http://www.librarything.com/author/vanmanlondon - but I don't think there's anything we can do about that.
2952wonderY
Wow! Got some startled attention with that thread title:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179450#
"Obama Condemns US Journalist's Beheading"
http://www.librarything.com/profile/fopola36
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179450#
"Obama Condemns US Journalist's Beheading"
http://www.librarything.com/profile/fopola36
296MarthaJeanne
But that and another spam topic were gone before they were reported here.
2972wonderY
Yep, we are fast on the draw nowadays. Thanks Tim for hte tools. I'd still like to have sound effects and smoke.
3042wonderY
Author who should know better:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179477#
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179477#
306Taphophile13
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179480
self-promotional Talk post / group
http://www.librarything.com/profile/dinga1949
overzealous author who has apparently done this before
self-promotional Talk post / group
http://www.librarything.com/profile/dinga1949
overzealous author who has apparently done this before
3072wonderY
>306 Taphophile13:
That may be an okay thing to do in that group. The group description isn't specific about it, but it is a group for writers.
That may be an okay thing to do in that group. The group description isn't specific about it, but it is a group for writers.
308gilroy
#307
Actually, no. That's a no no in that group. WRiter's Brag and Rag Bag or Hobnob with Authors is okay. Writers-Readers is not.
Actually, no. That's a no no in that group. WRiter's Brag and Rag Bag or Hobnob with Authors is okay. Writers-Readers is not.
309Taphophile13
>308 gilroy:
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
314Taphophile13
Follow-up to my >306 Taphophile13::
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179479
I'm sure this doesn't belong in Chicagoans.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/dinga1949
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179479
I'm sure this doesn't belong in Chicagoans.
http://www.librarything.com/profile/dinga1949
318Meredy
>315 lilithcat: Doesn't a response also mean that the thread won't automatically be axed--because it contains legitimate posts? so responding acts to preserve it instead of removing it?
319lilithcat
> 318
Exactly. But this wasn't a case of a spam post in an otherwise legitimate thread. The OP was spam, and responding to it means the thread continues to show up.
Exactly. But this wasn't a case of a spam post in an otherwise legitimate thread. The OP was spam, and responding to it means the thread continues to show up.
332MsMaryAnn
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179525
http://www.librarything.com/profile/ajjimia
Looks like the weekend spamathon begins
http://www.librarything.com/profile/ajjimia
Looks like the weekend spamathon begins
334MarthaJeanne
That one was fast. The topic wasn't there.
I clicked to read a message, clicked back to all topics.
I clicked to the spam topic, flagged both topic and profile. Clicked back to all topics.
Spam topic was missing, but had been listed here. Can't have been available for more than 2 or 3 minutes.
(This refers to 330-332)
I clicked to read a message, clicked back to all topics.
I clicked to the spam topic, flagged both topic and profile. Clicked back to all topics.
Spam topic was missing, but had been listed here. Can't have been available for more than 2 or 3 minutes.
(This refers to 330-332)
336Nicole_VanK
>334 MarthaJeanne: : That's why I love these threads. Just post it here and "bye bye".
356Nicole_VanK
Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.
360Mr.Durick
>359 Taphophile13: That was posted at 2253Z. You reported it at 2255Z. I posted the fourth flag at 2258Z. I hope lewa isn't devastated...or maybe I don't.
Robert
Robert
361Taphophile13
>360 Mr.Durick:
Somehow I suspect lewa will recover.
Somehow I suspect lewa will recover.
363Taphophile13
Wedding dresses! Five star reviews!
http://www.librarything.com/work/15240949
http://www.librarything.com/work/15234498
http://www.librarything.com/work/15246410
http://www.librarything.com/work/15251689
http://www.librarything.com/work/15261655
http://www.librarything.com/work/15267332
http://www.librarything.com/work/15275795
http://www.librarything.com/profile/sherry1991
http://www.librarything.com/work/15240949
http://www.librarything.com/work/15234498
http://www.librarything.com/work/15246410
http://www.librarything.com/work/15251689
http://www.librarything.com/work/15261655
http://www.librarything.com/work/15267332
http://www.librarything.com/work/15275795
http://www.librarything.com/profile/sherry1991
364MarthaJeanne
Without the link at the end of each review those would be acceptable. But with the link they are obviously meant as commercial spam.
3662wonderY
>363 Taphophile13: & >364 MarthaJeanne:
So we should be flagging the member profile too, yes?
I'm surprised it's still up.
So we should be flagging the member profile too, yes?
I'm surprised it's still up.
367MarthaJeanne
If you agree that it is spam, then yes, flag her.
3682wonderY
Ah, so maybe flagged reviews aren't treated in the same automatic way as flagged posts/groups. I went back and added my flag to the reviews too.
369Taphophile13
>366 2wonderY:
Given that her entire library consists of "reviews" of a wedding gown site, I think she is a spammer.
Given that her entire library consists of "reviews" of a wedding gown site, I think she is a spammer.
3702wonderY
I know, I'm just puzzled that the profile hasn't been flagged out of existence yet.
And I really don't think that backless number deserves 5 stars.
And I really don't think that backless number deserves 5 stars.
371Taphophile13
>366 2wonderY: and 370 re Sherry 1991
She's down now.
She's down now.
377MarthaJeanne
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179708
Publisher spam
Publisher spam
3782wonderY
expecting this thread to be edited to spam:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179719#
new member
http://www.librarything.com/profile/AlishaRoosy
http://www.librarything.com/topic/179719#
new member
http://www.librarything.com/profile/AlishaRoosy
Den här diskussionen fortsatte här: Spam reporting thread #30
