Sedevacante & The One True Catholic Church (contued) Part III

Let us begin a new....

Surely the pastors have done foolishly; for excepting a very few, who either on account of their insignificance were passed over, or who by reason of their virtue resisted, and who were to be left as a seed and root for the springing up again and revival of Israel the Church by the influence of the Spirit, all temporized, differing from each other only in this, that some succumbed earlier, and others later; some were foremost champions and leaders in the impiety, and others joined the second rank of the battle being overcome by fear, or by interests or by flattery, or, what was the most excusable, by their own ignorance.

- Saint Gregory of Nazianzus (329-389), Orationes xxi.24

By the way....Tim & John....I like my coffee black!

>2 Joansknight: on account of their insignificance were passed over

For some reason this reminds me of The Keys of the Kingdom by A. J. Cronin. I must reread it sometime.

Why is The Sources Of Catholic Dogma insignificant?

>7 Joansknight: Is it insignificant? I have no idea. I don't think anybody has commented on your post >4 Joansknight:; I was commenting on >2 Joansknight:

>6 John5918: I've just bought an e-copy of The Keys of the Kingdom on my Kindle. I realise it is too many years since I have read it and it's time to read it again.

John....do you realize....my first name is Celtic for KEEPER OF THE KEYS?!?!?

I find it very sad....so many believe in the lies and deceptions of the VATICAN II APOSTASY....and that their souls are damned to hell for eternity!

>10 Joansknight: What is your first name?

You can not figure it out with the clue I gave you!?!?

>13 Joansknight: No.

Man cannot perform a more holy, a more grand, a more sublime action than to celebrate a Mass, in regard to which the Council of Trent says: "We must needs confess that no other work can be performed ... so holy and divine as this tremendous Mystery itself. God Himself cannot cause an action to be performed that is holier and grander than the celebration of Mass.

- Saint Alphonsus Liguori (1696-1787), The Holy Mass

He's NOT talking about the V2 sect's abomination either!

St. Alphonsus (c. 1755): “Sacred Scripture enumerates a number of other torments which will afflict the damned besides hellfire. One of these is the ‘worm,’ to which the Scriptures refer frequently… most theologians explain it metaphorically as the remorse of conscience which will afflict the damned in the fire and darkness of hell. Forever will they have imprinted on their memories the results of their sins; forever will they repeat the words ascribed to the damned in the book of Wisdom: ‘We have erred from the way of truth, we wearied ourselves in the way of iniquity and destruction and have walked through hard ways. What hath pride profited us? Or what advantage hath the boasting of riches brought us?... Such as these the sinners said in hell.’ (Wisdom 5:6-14).”

We have to distinguish according to the schemata and the chapters those which have already been the subject of dogmatic definitions; as for the declarations which have a novel character, we have to make reservations.

- Cardinal Pericle Felici, describing the "theological note" of the Council

The Church simply permits them private revelations to be published for the instruction and the edification of the faithful. The assent to be given to them is not therefore an act of Catholic Faith but of human faith, based upon the fact that these revelations are probable and worthy of credence. St. John of the cross asserts that the desire for revelations deprives faith of its purity, develops a dangerous curiosity that becomes a source of illusions, fills the mind with vain fancies, and often proves the want of humility, and of submission to Our Lord, Who, through His public revelation, has given all that is needed for salvation. We must suspect those apparitions that lack dignity or proper reserve, and above all, those that are ridiculous. This last characteristic is a mark of human or diabolical machination.

- Pope Benedict XIV (1740- 1758)

Like anyone of the Vatican II sect cares....

In three days....our Lord's Nativity will be celebrated....but only by those who are truly Catholic....NOT the NOVUS ORDO sect!

>19 Joansknight:

Well, I think all Christians will celebrate Christmas, even those who you think are heretics.

It is the HERETICS....who do NOT know the TRUTH....they deny Christ....they celebrate one day....returning to the ways of man....greed, sex, violence....etc....Blessed Christmas John....the season of Christmas lasts until January 6th by the way....which is the holy Feast of the Epiphany....and St. Jeanne's birth....how fitting!

Even if there were only one person left who held the right Catholic Faith, there would be the Catholic Church.

- Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerick (1774-1824)

● I condemn, reject, and anathematize everything that is contrary to those propositions, and all heresies without exception that have been condemned, rejected, and anathematized by the Church.

Profession of Catholic Faith
Promulgated solemnly by Pope Pius IV and the Council of Trent

If you EVER read the PROFESSION OF CATHOLIC FAITH....you would know....with your heart and soul....that includes the VATICAN II APOSTASY!

"No amount of belief makes something a fact."
- James Randi

Any individual can believe in what ever they want....they can believe in fairies....the Loc Ness monster....UFOs....Santa Clause....they can even believe they are the Messiah or Napoleon! Do these beliefs make “something a fact”?

Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth.....

The news and social media report what they believe to be facts and truth....the government also tells them what the “truth” is....

St. Fulgence (520): “Anyone who is outside this Church, which received the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, is walking not to Heaven but to Hell. He is not approaching the home of eternal life; rather, he is hastening to the torment of eternal death.”

Individuality

The quality or character of a particular person that distinguishes them from others, especially when strongly marked.

Society defines individuality: the quality and lack of character of a particular person, doing....thinking....acting as everyone else, and believing (the truth is widely ignored) in the lies and deceptions created by society....individual distinction is practically nonexistent.

To the priest it belongs to impose himself as a barrier to the encroachments of error and disguised heresy;... to unmask their deceits and point out their ambushes; to caution the simple, to give courage to the timid, to open the eyes of the blind.

- Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903), Encyclical letter to the Archbishops, Bishops, and Clergy of France

>25 Joansknight:

Interesting take on western society. As someone who lives in Africa, I would say that western society is quintessentially individualistic compared to Africa, where community is still an important value, as in the concept of ubuntu. But I would also challenge your implication that Christianity is primarily individualistic. That seems to me to be largely a modern western protestant sport. Christianity values community, and many of the images of church are communal in nature, beginning indeed with the Godhead itself, the Trinity, and certainly including biblical images from the New Testament, and onwards into the Tradition of the Church. That is obviously not to deny the dignity of the individual created in the image and likeness of God, but set in the context of the communal Body of Christ.

As for the rest of your quotes, I think I have said before that you are quoting from the body of Catholic Tradition, so Catholics should have no problem with any of those teachings. However you, as a Sedevacantist, may well be interpreting them differently from the Catholic Church.

Your NOVUS ORDO sect knows NOTHING of Catholic doctrines!

Joansknight, I hope you pray that all of us come nearer to the truth. We can all use that kind of petition.

You know NOTHING of the TRUTH!

Profession of Catholic Faith
Promulgated solemnly by Pope Pius IV and the Council of Trent
● I, N., with firm faith believe and profess each and every article contained in the symbol of faith which the holy Roman Church uses; namely:
● I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; and in
● one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages; God from God, light from light, true God from true God; begotten not made, of one substance (consubstantial) with the Father, through whom all things were made;
● who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was made incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
● He was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, died, and was buried; and
● He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven;
● He sits at the right hand of the Father, and He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and of His kingdom there will be no end.
● And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord, and giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who equally with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified; who spoke through the prophets.
● And I believe that there is one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church.
● I confess one baptism for the remission of sins; and I hope for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
● I resolutely accept and embrace the apostolic and ecclesiastical traditions and the other practices and regulations of that same Church.
● In like manner I accept Sacred Scripture according to the meaning which has been held by holy Mother Church and which she now holds. It is Her prerogative to pass judgment on the true meaning and interpretation of Sacred Scripture. And I will never accept or interpret it in a manner different from the unanimous agreement of the Fathers.
● I also acknowledge that there are truly and properly seven sacraments of the New Law, instituted by Jesus Christ our Lord, and that they are necessary for the salvation of the human race, although it is not necessary for each individual to receive them all.
● I acknowledge that the seven sacraments are: Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Holy Orders, and Matrimony; and that they confer grace; and that of the seven, Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders cannot be repeated without committing a sacrilege.
● I also accept and acknowledge the customary and approved rites of the Catholic Church in the solemn administration of these sacraments.
● I embrace and accept each and every article on Original Sin and Justification declared and defined in the most holy Council of Trent.
● I likewise profess that in Mass a true, proper, and propitiatory sacrifice is offered to God on behalf of the living and the dead, and that the Body and Blood together with the Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ is truly, really, and substantially present in the most holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, and that there is a change of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood; and this change the Catholic Church calls transubstantiation.
● I also profess that the whole and entire Christ and a true Sacrament is received under each separate species.
● I firmly hold that there is a purgatory, and that the souls detained there are helped by the prayers of the faithful.
● I likewise hold that the saints reigning together with Christ should be honored and invoked, that they offer prayers to God on our behalf, and that their relics should be venerated.
● I firmly assert that images of Christ, of the Mother of God ever Virgin, and of the other saints should be owned and kept, and that due honor and veneration should be given to them.
● I affirm that the power of indulgences was left in the keeping of the Church by Christ, and that the use of indulgences is very beneficial to Christians.
● I acknowledge the holy, Catholic, and apostolic Roman Church as the mother and teacher of all churches; and…
● I unhesitatingly accept and profess all the doctrines (especially those concerning the primacy of the Roman Pontiff and his infallible teaching authority) handed down, defined, and explained by the sacred canons and ecumenical councils and especially those of this most holy Council of Trent (and by the ecumenical Vatican Council I). And at the same time:
● I condemn, reject, and anathematize everything that is contrary to those propositions, and all heresies without exception that have been condemned, rejected, and anathematized by the Church.
● I, N., promise, vow, and swear that, with God’s help, I shall most constantly hold and profess this true Catholic faith, outside which no one can be saved and which I now freely profess and truly hold. With the help of God, I shall profess it whole and unblemished to my dying breath; and, to the best of my ability, I shall see to it that my subjects or those entrusted to me by virtue of my office hold it, teach it, and preach it. So help me God and His holy Gospel.

Your "pope" Francis absolutely knows NOTHING of Catholic Dogma!

Pope Gregory XVI (1832): “A schismatic flatters himself falsely if he asserts that he, too, has been washed in the waters of regeneration. Indeed Augustine would reply to such a man: ‘The branch has the same form when it has been cut off from the vine; but of what profit for it is the form, if it does not live from the root.” (Mirari Vos #13)

St. Joan of Arc's passion lasted nearly five months. She endured being chained up in a dark and cold cell, she was mistreated by her guards, questioned daily by her accusers, threatened with torture and finally she was burned to death at the stake. Through all that, she never weakened mentally or emotionally and most of all she never lost her faith in God or the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Her last words as she died were "Jesus, Jesus". Knowing what she went through, one has to wonder if our lives are that unbearable.

>35 Joansknight: I agree. We have absolutely no idea, no conception of suffering in our cozy first world lives.

Someone finally agrees with me on something....

St. Ambrose (390): “True repentance is to cease to sin.”

If an angel should come down from heaven and show me any other thing than I have believed all my lifetime past, I would not believe him.

- Blessed John Forest, one of the martyrs of the English Reformation

The danger is not confined to one Church.... This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of Godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat is now openly proposed as a reward for impiety; so that he whose blasphemies are the more shocking, is more eligible for the oversight of the people. Priestly gravity has perished; there are none left to feed the Lord's flock with knowledge; ambitious men are ever spending, in purposes of self-indulgence and bribery, possessions which they hold in trust for the poor. The accurate observation of the canons are no more; there is no restraint upon sin. Unbelievers laugh at what they see, and the weak are unsettled; faith is doubtful, ignorance is poured over their souls, because the adulterators of the word in wickedness imitate the truth. Religious people keep silence, but every blaspheming tongue is let loose. Sacred things are profaned; those of the laity who are sound in faith avoid the places of worship, as schools of impiety, and raise their hands in solitude with groans and tears to the Lord in heaven.

- St. Basil the Great (ca. 330-ca. 379), Epistlae 92 (in ca. 372)

No one will agree with this....they support the Vatican II APOSTASY....

>40 Joansknight: No one will agree with this...

On the contrary, I'm sure St Basil the Great was right. The state of the Church in 372 must have been terrible. It's good to know that the Church sixteen and a half centuries later has taken the good saint's words to heart and, through various reforms, improved so much, although we mustn't be complacent.

You are lost John....and....you miss the point!

>42 Joansknight:

The point is, surely, that the holy saint was speaking in the context of events in his time (scrutinising the Signs of the Times, to use theological language recognisable to most Catholics), not in 2016, nor in 1958, when Sedevacantists appear to believe that "the Vatican II APOSTASY" originated. Context is everything.

I know you HERETICS could care less....but....Monday, May 30th....is St. Jeanne d'Arc's Feast....the VATICAN II APOSTATE....Paul VI....did away with her Feast and hundreds of other holy saints of the CATHOLIC CHURCH!

>44 Joansknight:

Good to see you posting again, and let me wish you a happy and blessed feast day on 30th.

It's still an optional memorial in the Catholic general liturgical calendar, and a memorial in France, so it's perfectly in order to celebrate the feast.

Optional for APOSTATES & HERETICS....how nice!

You have excuses for everything the Vatican II APOSTASY does....don't you John!?!?

Since none of you HERETICS care about the Catholic Church....I will talk about the two volume biography of St. Jeanne d'Arc....by Anatole France....He is very demeaning to St. Jeanne and the French people....in his introduction alone! I own a copy of both volumes....out of 500 printed in the United States!

I guess you HERETICS have no desire to communicate with me anymore....

Heresy means choosing. We are choosing not to.

>49 Joansknight:

Good to see you posting. I was wondering where you are. When you posted >48 Joansknight: I looked up the book you referenced, but I was rather waiting for you to talk about the book, as you said you would.

Do you know of the book John? I pray you and Tim are well....

Pope Leo XIII: “The Church, founded on these principles and mindful of her office, has done nothing with greater zeal and endeavor than she has displayed in guarding the integrity of the faith. Hence she regarded as rebels and expelled from the ranks of her children all who held beliefs on any point of doctrine different from her own.” (Satis Cognitum # 9, June 29, 1896)

Joan of Arc ring stays in France after appeal to Queen (Guardian)

Why do they think this was St. Jeanne's ring!?!? It may be 15th century....I do not think it was hers! I have no clue what those symbols are!

"You call me an enchantress, and accuse
Of hellish arts. Is it the work of hell
To heal dissension and to foster peace?
Comes holy concord from the depths below?
Say, what is holy, innocent, and good,
If not to combat for our fatherland?
Since when hath nature been so self-opposed
That heaven forsakes the just and righteous cause,
While hell protects it? If my words are true,
Whence could I draw them but from heaven above?
Who ever sought me in my shepherd-walks,
To teach the humble maid affairs of state?
I ne'er have stood with princes, to these lips
Unknown the arts of eloquence. Yet now,
When I have need of it to touch thy heart,
Insight and varied knowledge I possess;
The fate of empires and the doom of kings
Lie clearly spread before my childish mind,
And words of thunder issue from my mouth."

- Friedrich Schiller, The Maid of Orleans, Act II, Scene X

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6792/6792-h/6792-h.htm#link2H_4_0015

What is your point?!?!?

The point is that over 200 years of Masonic laicité have destroyed much more than a century of war with England. And the Catholic church is pretty much dead in France, especially in Paris, as the recent fate of St. Rita has once again shown.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/03/images-of-a-priest-...

"Catholics" in France are NOT Catholic! http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of rotten bishops.

- Saint John Chrysostom

NOVUS ORDO bishops that is....

You guys are soul-mates!

>60 Joansknight:

Good to see you posting again, Joansknight. I always worry about you when you're absent for too long.

Yes, I know a few rotten bishops, but I also know others who are living saints, bishops who have put their llves on the line for peace and justice (twice in the last few days I have heard government officials praise bishops who had gone out into the bush to meet rebel leaders with no assurance that they wouldn't be shot or worse, with the comment, "We were afraid to do it, but the bishops weren't!"), bishops who are providing hope to their people in situations of famine and war, bishops who are struggling to offer services to their people in some of the poorest and most difficult dioceses in the world. Truly inspiring.

Why worry about me....I am NOTHING to you or Tim!?!?

>64 John5918:

You really think so? You're a fellow human being first and foremost, and a fellow-Catholic to boot, and you're someone I chat to even though clearly we disagree on a lot of what we chat about.

>63 Joansknight:

I'm glad to see you again. I hope we can indeed chat. You don't need to call it dialogue if you don't want to :)

But you are NOT Catholic....

>66 Joansknight:

Well, according to mainstream definitions, including that of the institutional Catholic Church itself, I am. According to Sedevacantist definitions, I'm not. Perhaps we can at least agree on those two sentences?

I thought catholic meant universal. All of us sinners together.

An Orthodox individual is not Catholic. I desire union with them, but they are not Catholic. So too the "sedevacantist."

St. Francis Xavier (1543): “...I could not but grieve intensely at the thought of devils being worshipped instead of God by these blind heathen, and I asked them to listen to me in turn. Then I, in a loud voice, repeated the Apostles’ Creed and the Ten Commandments. After this I gave in their own language a short explanation, and told them what Paradise is, and what Hell is, and also who they are who go to Heaven to join the company of the blessed, and who are to be sent to the eternal punishments of Hell. Upon hearing these things they all rose up and vied with one another in embracing me, and in confessing that the God of the Christians is the true God, as His laws are so agreeable to reason.”

>70 Joansknight:

Good to see you posting again, Joansknight.

Like you care what I have to post....I pray you are well John! Our Lord gave sight to the blind....but it is the sighted who are TRULY blind!

The crown of victory is promised only to those who engage in the struggle.

- Saint Augustine (354-430), De Agone Christiano, 1:1

>72 Joansknight:

You're very cynical. As I have said before, I disagree with you on many issues, but why should you think I don't care about you?

And, as I have also said before, I agree with most of the quotes that you post as they are part of the Catholic Tradition. What I may disagree with is your interpretation of them, which differs from that of the mainstream Church.

Your church is NOT Catholic....your church is APOSTASY and an ABOMINATION to our Lord....THE WEAK MINDED FOLLOW THE PIED PIPER....THE WEAK MINDED FOLLOW THE NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY!

When the perfect comes, the upper case shall be cast aside.

What does that mean?!?!? “Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, you transgressors, remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done…” (Isaiah 46:8-10)

“As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, ‘Peace to you!’ But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, ‘Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.’ And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, ‘Have you anything here to eat?’ They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them. Then he said to them, ‘These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.’ Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, ‘Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.’ Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy...” (Luke 24:36-53)

Blessed and Joyous Feast Of The Resurrection to all!

Likewise, a peaceful and blessed celebraton of the Risen Lord to you and to all.

He has risen. Hallelujah!

Amen....at least one thing we agree on!

“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to doctrine which is according to piety: he is proud, knowing nothing…” (1 Tim. 6:3-4)

Blind that they the Modernists are, and leaders of the blind, inflated with a boastful science, they have reached that pitch of folly where they pervert the eternal concept of truth and the true nature of the religious sentiment. With that new system of theirs, they are seen to be under the sway of a blind and unchecked passion for novelty, thinking not at all of finding some solid foundation of truth, but despising the holy and apostolic traditions, they embrace other vain, futile, uncertain doctrines, condemned by the Church, on which, in the height of their vanity, they think they can rest and maintain truth itself.

- Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846)

St. Augustine (426): “While the hot restlessness of heretics stirs up questions about many things belonging to the Catholic faith, in order to provide a defense against these heretics we are obliged to study the points questioned more diligently, to understand them more clearly, and to preach them more forcefully; and thus the question raised by the adversary becomes the occasion for instruction.

Sad....the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY will NOT heed instruction....

Hence, that meaning of the sacred dogmata is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be an abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.... If anyone says that it is possible that at some given time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmata propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has always understood and understands: let him be anathema.

- Vatican Council

Thanks, Joansknight, for once again reminding us of some random quotes from Church teaching, all of which Catholics accept as part of the Tradition, except in >84 Joansknight: where I believe you have forgotten to close your quotation marks - I don't think Augustine said that last line!

No....I said it....it is the TRUTH....something you can NOT accept....by the way....be warned....September 23rd....this year....

Know that you are a heretic....your soul is LOST!

You cherish the things of this world....more than you do your own salvation!

No reply....only GOD knows why....

>87 Joansknight:

What is significant about 23rd September this year?

If you do NOT know....than you do NOT know....the sign is in the heavens....but....what do I know....I know the TRUTH!

>92 Joansknight:

Well, I don't know, which is why I asked. If you were to tell me, then I would know.

It behooves us unanimously and inviolably to observe the ecclesiastical traditions, whether codified or simply retained by the customer practice of the Church.

- St. Peter Canisius (1521-1597), Summae Doctrinae Christiana

The Novus Ordo church has abandoned Church Traditions....one of many reasons why it is an APOSTASY!

>93 John5918: End of the world, I'm afraid :-) :-)

(Apols that I can't make a link but it's about Planet X/Nibiru colliding with Earth.)

>95 patchygirl:

And I'm sure that's as accurate as all the other predictions about the end of the world.

Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_12_Sign

>95 patchygirl:

Would that be a flat earth, do you think?

>97 John5918:

Now that's just silly :-) :-)

VERY WRONG....

They say IGNORANCE is BLISS....you all must be VERY....happy NOT knowing the TRUTH!

>100 Joansknight:

I'm still waiting for you to tell me the TRUTH about September 23rd....this year....

Glad you asked....http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/apocalyptic-sign-will-appear-in-2017/#.Wb0sVNFrz14

St. Francis De Sales (1602): “Thus we do not say that the Pope cannot err in his private opinions, as did John XXII; or be altogether a heretic... Now when he (the Pope) is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church…”

>91 John5918:

Well, actually I asked a week ago (>91 John5918:) and you declined to tell me (>92 Joansknight:), but thanks for now relenting and even for being happy that I asked.

I wasn't aware that Catholicism, even the modern Sedevacante offshoot, accepted astrology.

It is NOT Astrology....it IS PROPHESY! Something you HERETICS do NOT accept! It is a SIGN....a part of REVELATIONS!

Joansknight,

What are your plans for the weekend?

Ruth

>105 Joansknight:

It's also very ecumenical, which is something that I wasn't aware was a Sedevacantist sport. Since you've enlightened me about 23rd September, I've noticed it popping up all over YouTube, with many videos by evangelical protestant pastors. One of the big topics of debate appears to be whether or not it will trigger the rapture; it seems the majority opinion is that it won't. Where do you stand on that particular topic?

Prophecy, on the other hand, is rather different. The Prophetic Voice of the Church is alive and well, particularly in the person of Pope Francis (or non-pope Francis as I suppose you would call him), and all over the world, such as my bishops in Sudan and South Sudan who speak up strongly for justice and peace.

Yesterday, 23rd September, was a fine day here in Kenya. What was it like where you were, Joansknight?

My plans?!?!

The RAPTURE....is a heretical theory....manifested in the late 19th century!

For one Bishop of your opinion, I have a hundred Saints of mine, for one parliament of yours - and God alone knows what kind - I have all the General Councils for a thousand years.

- St. Thomas More

>110 Joansknight:

Yes, we all know that. That's why I was a bit surprised to see you buying in to this 23rd September stuff.

You reject signs from our LORD and His mother!?!?

>113 Joansknight:

Could you enlighten me on what the LORD and His mother were trying to tell us with these signs? It's not at all clear to me.

Because you are DECEIVED by the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY....we ARE in the END OF DAYS!

The TRUE followers of Christ's Church would NOT abuse children....the TRUE followers of Christ's Church would follow and BELIEVE in its DOGMAS!

>114 John5918:

Yes, but can you tell me the significance of the astrological alignment on 23rd September? What do you think is to be learned from it by someone like me who is DECEIVED?

You are mocking me....

>118 Joansknight:

Yes, to be fair I am a bit, and I apologise for that. But only because you seem to be unable to answer my questions. I'm not going to convert to Sedevacantism - I'm very happy being a Catholic - but I would genuinely like to understand where you're coming from. But you're not really very helpful to people who enquire.

You ARE NOT CATHOLIC....you ARE a HERETIC and a HUMANIST! NOTHING you believe in FOLLOWS the DOGMAS of Christ's Church! Your soul is DAMNED!

?119

You see, this is the problem. Instead of helping me to understand, you accuse me of being a HERETIC, a HUMANIST and being DAMNED. Not very helpful, as I said, and one might even add not very charitable.

Are you on Facebook?

>121 John5918:

Nope. LT is the closest to social media that I get!

I do NOT blame you!

“If any man love not Our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema...” (1 Cor. 16:22)

St. John Chrysostom: “For it is the special character of true faith, that it asks for no reasons for the precepts laid upon it, but simply obeys what is commanded.”

Pope Pius X, Our Apostolic Mandate (# 36), on the “Sillon”, Aug. 25, 1910: “… there is no true civilization without a moral civilization, and no true moral civilization without the true religion; it is a proven truth, a historical fact.”

A peaceful and blessed new year to you, Joansknight.

Still a HERETIC I take it!?!? TRUTH means NOTHING to you!

I have bad eyes....but....you ARE the ONE who is BLIND!

You are a follower of the ways of SOCIETY....a FOLLOWER of the DOCTRINES OF MAN....NOT the DOCTRINES of CHRIST'S CHURCH!

Joansknight, that's a rather aggressive response to someone who simply wished you a happy new year. Call me old fashioned, but I tend to favour a slightly more charitable approach.

St. John Eudes (c. 1660): “The greatest evil existing today is heresy, an infernal rage which hurls countless souls into eternal damnation.”

So our Mass goes back without essential change to the age when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as God.... There is not in Christendom a rite so venerable as ours.

- Adrian Fortescue (England's greatest liturgical historian, 1874-1923), The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy (London, 1917), p. 213

St. Isidore of Seville (600): “Ignorance nourishes vices and is the mother of all errors.”

Is that bowdlerizing vitiorum nutrix?

St. Thomas Aquinas (A.D. 1274): “Unbelief… arises from pride, through which man is unwilling to subject his intellect to the rules of faith…” (Summa Theologiae Pt. II-II, Q. 10, A. 3, Reply 3)

Oh this is TRULY the HERETICAL NOVUS ORDO....

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, 1311-1312, Decree #26: “…it is a grave offense not to work for the extermination of heresy when this monstrous infection requires action...”

The early Catholics by the world of their day were dubbed haters of mankind. The same charge will be leveled at a modern Catholic of conviction by the world of his day. People cannot be comfortable in contact with such hard, angular, unsociable, uncompromising individuals. So the world felt extremely ill at ease in the presence of Christ - and after a few years contact He was found unbearable. Life for the nation and for its heads was impossible unless He were put out of the way. It was expedient that (this) One Man should die that the whole nation should perish not. It is certainly easier to be on the side of the world.

- Father Edward Leen, C.S.SP. (1885-1944)

Although betrayed by His Cardinals beginning on the day of His Divine Election, October 26, 1958 A.D., put under constant surveillance, a documented death-threat, and having absolutely no temporal arm to turn to for help- Pope Gregory XVII, by a near miraculous occurrence shortly before His "unforeseen" death on May 2, 1989 A.D., did perform the proper actions to carry on the True Hierarchy (Petrine Mission) of the True Church.

"It is granted to few to recognize the true Church amid the darkness of so many schisms and heresies,
and to fewer still so to love the truth which they have seen as to fly to its embrace." -St. Robert Bellarmine

Hence arose the monstrous errors of "Modernism," which Our Predecessor Pope St. Pius X rightly declared to be "the synthesis of all heresies," and solemnly condemned. We hereby renew that condemnation in all its fullness, Venerable Brethren, and as the plague is not yet entirely stamped out, but lurks here and there in hidden places, We exhort all to be carefully on their guard against any contagion of the evil, to which we may apply the words Job used in other circumstances: "It is a fire that devoureth even to destruction, and rooteth up all things that spring" (Job 31:12). Nor do We merely desire that Catholics should shrink from the errors of Modernism, but also from the tendencies or what is called the spirit of Modernism. Those who are infected by that spirit develop a keen dislike for all that savors of antiquity and become eager searchers after novelties in everything: in the way in which they carry out religious functions, in the ruling of Catholic institutions, and even in private exercises of piety. Therefore it is Our will that the law of our forefathers should still be held sacred: "Let there be no innovation; keep to what has been handed down." In matters of faith that must be inviolably adhered to as the law; it may however also serve as a guide even in matters subject to change, but even in such cases the rule would hold: "Old things, but in a new way."

- Pope Benedict XV (1914-1922), Encyclical Letter "Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum," November 1, 1914

>141 Joansknight:

For the benefit of the uninitiated, could you give us some details of the election of Pope Gregory XVII on October 26, 1958?

>143 Joansknight:

Sed ab his disputationibus omnis intemperante sermonis absit, quae graves afferre potest offensiones caritati; suam quisque tueatur libere quidem, sed modeste sententiam; nec sibi putet fas esse, qui contrariam teneant, eos, hac ipsa tantum causa, vel suspectae fidei arguere vel non bonae disciplinae

—ibid.

For some reason....I can not find the website....I will keep looking....sorry!

I do not know Latin....sorry....you can blame the Novus Ordo Apostasy!

Here you go John....I do not know why you even care though....http://www.thepopeinred.com/thesis.htm

>145 MMcM: Certainly the most pertinent quote that I have read here. Thank you.

You make no sense....

>147 Joansknight:

I also don't know Latin - the result of taking the science stream in grammar (high) school, which meant I had to drop some of the arts and languages - so I just googled for a translation tool which gave me the gist of the Latin quote. Of course I still remember the old Latin mass before the changeover to the vernacular - I was an altar server so we had to know the responses, even though we didn't understand them.

>148 Joansknight: I do not know why you even care though

All sorts of reasons. I try to respect people I disagree with and I try to understand where they are coming from. I like dialogue and conversation, so I don't have to agree with you in order to take an interest and be able to talk about your beliefs.

Actually I had not known that you believe you have a pope - I thought the whole point was that the See of Rome is vacant (sede vacante) because you believe that John XXIII was invalidly elected. I knew you believe Cardinal Siri was cheated out of the papacy, but I didn't know that you believe he actually became pope, albeit "hidden". I do recall asking you several hundred posts ago what is the governing structure of Sedevacantism, but I don't recall getting an answer explaining about Pope Gregory XVII and his hidden successor. My memory is not what it used to be.

Edited typo - it is of course John XXIII and not John Paul XXIII!

>147 Joansknight: >151 John5918: The upper-right corner of the Latin page has links to the English translation.

But in such discussions no expressions should be used which might constitute serious breaches of charity; let each one freely defend his own opinion, but let it be done with due moderation, so that no one should consider himself entitled to affix on those who merely do not agree with his ideas the stigma of disloyalty to faith or to discipline.

Of course, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum is mostly in the shadow of the Great War. But beyond that, while condemning the narrow heresy of Modernism, it is generally felt to take a softer stance. Lagrange was allowed to return to Jerusalem and the Ecole, while not free of suspicion of modernism, was allowed to reopen.

For strong polemics, it is maybe best to stick to Pius X.

>153 MMcM:

Thanks for the translation. I hadn't actually gone to the linked page so I missed the translation button.

I had always understood that the Church taught that all things should be interpreted through the lens of charity. Granted the Church never lived up to it, but I think it's a pretty good rule of thumb in any conversation.

You didn't have to....you are a NOVUS ORDO heretic!

There is NO pope....Cardinal siri was elected in 1958....he was threatened and forced out....There has NOT been a pope since PIUS XII!

>155 Joansknight:

This is why it is so difficult to have a conversation with you. I am trying to understand and engage with your point of view. Your response is usually abusive. And yet you appear to crave engagement, as on several occasions when nobody has responded to you for a while you have complained that we are ignoring you. Anyway, I will continue to converse with you as far as possible, in charity, of course, as Benedict XV instructs us in AD BEATISSIMI APOSTOLORUM.

>156 Joansknight: There is NO pope....Cardinal siri was elected in 1958....he was threatened and forced out....There has NOT been a pope since PIUS XII!

Well, I've read the link you gave me, and my understanding of it is different. To me it seems to say that Siri was validly elected as pope, that he accepted and chose a name (Gregory XVII), he was then coerced into abdicating, but he remained a "hidden" pope whereas John XXIII and his successors are anti-popes. Thus, as I understand it, your sect believes that there WAS actually a pope (namely Gregory), as many of them believe that his abdication was invalid as it was not of his own free will. The article also appears to say that before Siri's death he put in place a structure for his successor to be elected (presumably by appointing cardinals so that there could be a conclave) and that a new pope was indeed elected, although he too remains "hidden" and nobody knows who he is. So, again, there IS a pope, albeit "hidden".

Now I (and the rest of the Church) don't accept any of this, or course, as I don't believe there is any evidence of wrongdoing at the 1958 conclave, and the whole conspiracy theory (rogue French cardinals, Communism, Freemasons, etc) doesn't make much sense, like most conspiracy theories. But nevertheless I would like to understand what present-day Sedevacantists actually believe, and to look for internal logic within their narrative. Maybe I have misunderstood the link that you sent me (in which case I would appreciate you clarifying for me, perhaps using more than one sentence and trying to avoid accusing me of being a heretic) but I do see a contradiction between the two statements in >156 Joansknight: "There is NO pope... There has NOT been a pope since PIUS XII" and "Cardinal siri was elected {pope} in 1958....he was threatened and forced out" when in fact that link claims that Siri actually WAS the pope from 1958 onwards, albeit "hidden", and that on his death a new pope was elected, again "hidden". Is my question making sense?

“Before the 1971 changes in the Liturgy, the Athanasian Creed, consisting of 40 rhythmic statements, had been used in the Sunday Office for over a thousand years. It closes with the words: ‘This is the Catholic Faith, which, except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.’”

It's a dumb dog that doesn't bark when the wolf is among the sheep!

- Pope St. Gregory the Great, In Ez. Hom. 7

Joansknight, any thoughts on >158 John5918:? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

Pope Innocent IV (1254): “Moreover concerning fornication which an unmarried man commits with an unmarried woman, there must not be any doubt at all that it is a mortal sin, since the Apostle declares that ‘fornicators as adulterers are cast out from the kingdom of God’ (1 Cor. 6:9).”

Cardinal Siri was NOT allowed to take St. Peter's Chair....YES....he was elected pope....he chose to become NOVUS ORDO....MANIFEST HERETICS CAN NOT BE POPE....you have NO idea of the EVIL anti-pope John XXIII (which is also the name of another anti-pope....how fitting)! Siri was NOT hidden....there was NO pope elected after him....everything on that website may NOT be factual....except for the fact....Cardinal Siri was elected pope....an Italian newspaper even reported that fact!

>162 Joansknight:

Ah, thanks for explaining to me that everything on that website might not be factual. I thought maybe it summed up the creed or manifesto of Sedevacantism, but now I understand that there are different interpretations.

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ IF you want the TRUTH!

John....are you on Facebook or Twitter!?!?

>165 Joansknight:

Nope, I don't do social media except LT.

>164 Joansknight:

Thanks for the link. I'll look at it later. I seem to remember seeing this one a few years ago.

Kind of hard to talk privately here....

>168 Joansknight:

You can use the comments on the profile page. There's a box at the bottom of the message space that you click to make the conversation private.

I am ignorant about that stuff....

>171 Joansknight:

The claim that Fr Antonio Spadaro "implies that there are cases when murder, child abuse or genocide are morally acceptable and even praiseworthy” does not follow from the small amount of his address used in the linked article. This is not, of course, what Amoris Laetitia says. One would need to see more of his address before concluding that he implies this.

The Church is the only one, the Roman Catholic! And if there were left upon earth but one Catholic, he would be the one, universal Church, the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ against which the gates of Hell shall never prevail.

- Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)

No surprise that you support this heretic's warped beliefs....

>174 Joansknight:

No, I'm questioning the accuracy of the report about what he implied.

I apologize....

Pope says Paul VI will be declared a saint this year (NCR)

Francis is NOT pope....neither was Paul VI....

>158 John5918:, >162 Joansknight:

I've been thinking about that page you linked to earlier which speaks of a hidden pope. Now, trying to put myself into the mindset of Pope Gregory VII and his followers, in that mindset I can understand why he remained hidden if he felt he was under threat from the communists, Freemasons and a lot of senior churchmen. However, I cannot understand why his successor should remain hidden. The power of the communists, Freemasons and the church itself are now far diminished from what they would have been in 1958, so surely there is nothing for him to fear by revealing himself?

An interesting story related to St Joan of Arc, who I believe is one of your favourite saints, Joansknght:

French far-right targets mixed-race teen playing Joan of Arc (Guardian)

There is NO hidden pope....there is NO pope!

Thank you....

The Church is not a pope....or any clergy....it IS the followers....even IF there is ONLY ONE....you DO NOT get it!

>14 John5918:

On the contrary, I agree with you. It is a clear teaching of Vatican II that the Church is the People of God.

VII is APOSTASY....it put MAN before God....Its "mas" even puts MAN ahead of Christ....

>186 Joansknight:

Actually it doesn't do any of those things but many of the people who have dismissed it out of hand will probably never really understand what it does do.

You are deceived....you are a denier....you would rather follow the ways of MAN....the WAYS of SATAN....http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/news/allegedly-gay-priest-vatican-court-resigns-pleading-guilty-child-porn/#.WpQr8OdG314

I am not even sure what you are saying or meaning....just like the VII APOSTASY....you make NO sense!

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/news/german-bishops-discuss-intercommunio... HERESY!

St. Francis De Sales (c. 1602): “And if you consider closely how the Council of Trent compares Traditions with the Scriptures you will see that it does not receive a Tradition contrary to Scripture: for it receives Tradition and Scripture with equal honor, because both the one and the other are most sweet and pure streams, which spring from one same mouth of our Lord, as from a living fountain of wisdom, and therefore cannot be contrary, but are of the same taste and quality…” (The Catholic Controversy, p. 245.)

>188 Joansknight:

I'm just wondering what an article on a gay priest and child porn has to do with Vatican II?

APOSTASY & HERESY....pay attention! Do you know ANYTHING of the DOCTRINES of the HOLLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!?!?

I just had an epiphany....no OLYMPICS have been held in Africa....why do you think that is!?!?

I was talking about VII APOSTASY....

I know you LOVE the ways of MAN John....otherwise you would follow the WAYS and DOCTRINES of CHRIST'S CHURCH....tell me please.....where does your church have its Tabernacle....is it hidden from view!?!? I can assure you....the TRUE presence of Christ does NOT live in the building where you worship MAN!

Really, Joansknight, you are ranting now. What is your actual point from each of these last few posts?

May I respectfully point out to you that a priest with child porn is an example of sin, not apostasy and heresy?

I'm not sure what the location of the Olympics has to do with apostasy, heresy or doctrine. I suspect the reason that the Olympics has not been held in Africa is both financial and to do with available infrastructure - it costs a lot of money to host the Olympics, and most African countries would have neither the money nor the infrastructure.

You keep repeating this trope of worshipping MAN. The Roman Catholic Church does not worship MAN, it worships God.

When you ask where does my church have its tabernacle, which church do you mean? I go to a number of different churches at different times and all have the tabernacle in different places depending on the architectural design of the church. But they are not hidden from view.

>196 Joansknight:

A mission church in my neighborhood in Kentucky uses a simple locked wooden box set on a high shelf.

You all support the RELIGION OF MAN....may Christ have mercy on you all!

>199 Joansknight:

What do you actually mean by "the RELIGION OF MAN"? It's not something I recognise as a Catholic.

Thanks John....I needed a good laugh....you know of NOTHING Catholic....you worship MAN....I just love 2wonderY's comment about her church's so called "Blessed Sacrament"...."A mission church in my neighborhood in Kentucky uses a simple locked wooden box set on a high shelf.".....SERIOUSLY....a box on a shelf!?!?

St. Jerome (c. 390): “If you hear anywhere of those said to be of Christ not to have their name from Christ, but from some other, as Marcionites, Valentinians as now also Lutherans, Calvinists, etc. know that they belong not to the Church of Christ, but to the synagogue of Antichrist.”

>201 Joansknight: you know of NOTHING Catholic....you worship MAN

But you still haven't told me what this slogan "you worship MAN" means.

St. Francis De Sales (1602): “As to decrees on doctrines of faith they are invariable; what is once true is so unto eternity…”

Try telling that to the Novus Ordo sect....YOU put MAN before GOD....

>202 Joansknight:

Would Jerome have considered Sedevacantists to be included under the "synagogue of Antichrist", I wonder?

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 5), June 29, 1896: “It happens that, as in the human body, some member may be cut off – a hand, a finger, a foot. Does the soul follow the amputated member? As long as it was in the body, it lived; separated, it forfeits life. So the Christian is a Catholic as long as he lives in the body: cut off from it he becomes a heretic – the life of the Spirit follows not the amputated member.”

These amputated members are the followers of the NOVUS ORDO church....who have been decieved into believing they are of the Catholic Faith....but are NOT!

>204 Joansknight: YOU put MAN before GOD...

Yes, yes, we hear you - but what does "YOU put MAN before GOD" actually mean?

>206 Joansknight:

It seems to me that the Sedevacantists are the small member who have chosen to separate themselves from the Catholic Church.

Your "priest" is the CENTRE of YOUR "mass"....Christ is off to the side....or on a shelf in a BOX!

>209 Joansknight:

Christ is actually present on the altar during the Mass, as any Catholic, even of the Sedevacante flavour, should know. Christ is also present in the community - "where two or three are gathered in my name". And yes, Christ is also present in the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle, but during the Mass itself the focus is on Christ becoming present on the altar, not on Christ in the tabernacle. That's why the tabernacle is not the centre of attention during the Mass. When Mass is not taking place, the focus is on Christ in the tabernacle - that's why we genuflect in the direction of the tabernacle, for example, or have perpetual adoration in some churches. All this is pretty basic stuff.

Tabernacles vary. Some of the most beautiful that I have seen are simply carved from wood - a box, in other words. To be honest, some of the ugliest I have seen are intricate gold-plated monstrosities. Beauty is subjective.

Christ is NOT present in a NOVUS ORDO Tabernacle....

>211 Joansknight:

But in >209 Joansknight: you just said that Christ is present, off to the side in a box. Make up your mind!

SARCASM!

>212 John5918:

No, not sarcasm. I'm trying to point out, as I have done before, some of the inconsistencies in your arguments.

And you still haven't told me what you mean by "you worship MAN" and "YOU put MAN before GOD".

You live by the THEOLOGY OF MAN....NOT the CATHOLIC CHURCH! How dense are you John!?!?

Weak minded people follow the Pied Piper....weak minded people follow the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY!

>215 Joansknight: You live by the THEOLOGY OF MAN

Yes, but that statement means nothing to me. Indulge my denseness and explain to me what you understand by that statement. In what way to do I live by the THEOLOGY OF MAN, NOT the CATHOLIC CHURCH?

You simply have to read VII documents....

>218 Joansknight:

I have actually read all of them, most of them more than once. Have you?

YES....and the DOCTRINE OF MAN....is what it states!

>220 Joansknight: the DOCTRINE OF MAN....is what it states!

And what is "the DOCTRINE OF MAN" that it states, in summary, in your own words?

Simply....the ways of society....of MAN....before the ways of our LORD....

>232 Joansknight:

Nice slogan, but what does it actually mean? Which ways, specifically?

In the domain of morality, is it not an accepted principle of our Western bourgeois world that there is no absolute distinction between right and wrong rooted in the eternal order of God, but that they are relative and dependent entirely upon one's point of view? Hence when the Western world wishes to decide what is right and wrong even in certain moral matters, it takes a poll-forgetful that the majority never makes a thing right, because right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. the first pool of public opinion taken in history of Christianity was on Pilate's front porch, and it was wrong.

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More than two millennia ago our Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ, established His Church here on earth. He named St. Peter as the head of His church and instituted the seven sacraments for the benefit of His Church. Through the years the Christian Church evolved and defined itself and its doctrines. It endured persecutions, defended itself against heresies and persisted through schisms. The Roman Catholic Church even survived the protestant reformation of the sixteenth century and had a reformation of its own. With the Council of Trent the Church reaffirmed its dogmas and doctrines. It did not change these dogmas, but it strengthened them and emphasized them. The Church was unbending to the changing world around it and the man made religions being created. Five hundred years would pass before Christ’s Church would face its greatest crisis. It would be a crisis that would be hidden from millions of Catholics through deceptions and lies. But the faithful would embrace this great apostasy, because the world and times were changing and the Church had to conform to society’s beliefs and norms. This new “Catholic” church would not be Christ’s Church though. This would be a new religion, created by men. This counterfeit “Catholic” church would be led by manifest heretics and its new dogmas would be riddled with heresies and abominations against the Lord and his Church. This “Universal Church of Man” would defile the very sacraments Christ gave to His Church, making the majority of them virtually invalid. With the dawn of this unholy genesis thousands of faithful and priests would leave its fold, a sex scandal would ensue and hundreds of “Catholic” schools, seminaries and churches would lock their doors. Amid all these apostasies though, millions will continue to blindly believe in this anti-Catholic religion and follow the heretics that lead them. These great apostasies foretold by prophesy, would begin with the council that would be called Vatican II....

St. Thomas Aquinas (A.D. 1274): “Unbelief… arises from pride, through which man is unwilling to subject his intellect to the rules of faith…” (Summa Theologica, Pt. II-II, Q. 10, A. 3, Reply 3)

Thanks, Joansknight, for continunig to post selected (or random?) quotes from our Catholic tradition.

Could you give us a source for the text in >229 Joansknight:? Or did you write that one yourself?

I'm also wondering about the list of videos and articles that you post in >228 Joansknight:. Could you give us links to them, please?

>232 Joansknight:

Thanks, that seems to take me to the main page which has that list of articles and videos from >228 Joansknight:.

Do you have a link to >229 Joansknight:?

I note, incidentally, the small print at the bottom of that web page:

Unless otherwise specified, the articles and files on this website are written by Bro. Michael Dimond and Bro. Peter Dimond. They are the intellectual product of Bro. Michael Dimond, Bro. Peter Dimond or both. They belong to Most Holy Family Monastery. We grant permission for them to be copied and spread, but the website and name of author must be given

You would be respecting the wishes of the authors as well as helping those of us reading your posts if you could give us the link for each item you copy and paste.

I wrote 229....it is the TRUTH....

Now, if a person has seriously and duly used the proper matter and form for performing or administering a sacrament, he is by that very fact presumed to have intended to do what the Church does. This principle is the basis of the doctrine that a sacrament is truly a sacrament even if it is conferred through the ministry of a heretic or unbaptized person, provided the Catholic rite is used.

- Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903), Apostolicae Curae, September 13, 1896

I know John does NOT care what a TRUE pope has to say....

>235 Joansknight:

If you follow my posts on this thread, you'll note that I have no problem with the quotes you post as they are part of the tradition of our church. The principle stated here by Leo XIII is indeed an important one.

>235 Joansknight: if i didn't know better, id say you were someone using that quote to refute sedevecatism.

A change which held both on earth and in heaven had been accomplished.... There was no Holy Sacrifice offered morning by morning. The Scriptures were read, but there was no Divine Teacher to interpret them. The Magnificat was chanted still, but it rolled along the empty roofs, for Jesus was no longer on the altar. So it is to this day. There is no light, no tabernacle, no altar, nor can be, till Jesus shall return thither. They stand like the open sepulcher, and we may believe that angels are there, ever saying, "He is not here. Come and see the place where the Lord was laid."

- Henry Edward Cardinal Manning (1808-1892), The Blessed Sacrament, Center of Immutable Truth, speaking of the heretical Anglican Church

This also holds very true for the heretical and apostate NOVUS ORDO church....

“And they took Jesus, and led him forth. And bearing his own cross, he went forth to that place which is called Calvary, but in Hebrew Golgotha. Where they crucified him, and with him two others, one on each side, and Jesus in the midst. And Pilate wrote a title also, and he put it upon the cross. And the writing was: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JUDEANS. This title therefore many of the Judeans did read: because the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, in Greek, and in Latin. Then the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate: Write not, The King of the Judeans; but that he said, I am the King of the Judeans. Pilate answered: What I have written, I have written.” (John 19:16-22)

Christ is still crucified....by ALL heretics....especially by the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY....

“The first thirty successors of St. Peter paid dearly for the honor of the Supreme Pontificate; they were martyrs. How grand the throne of our Risen Jesus, surrounded as it is by all these Kings clad in their triumphant scarlet robes!” (Dom Prosper Guéranger, The Liturgical Year)

After you have reverently sanctified your eyes by gazing upon the sacred Body, receive It; but be careful lest any particle be lost. For if you lose a portion, it will be as if you lost a part of yourself; for, tell me, if someone gave you grains of gold, would you not save them with the greatest care and watch so that none would be lost and you suffer damage? Should you not, therefore, be far more careful that not even a crumb go lost of that which is more valuable than gold or precious gems?... Remember these various points. Keep yourselves blameless. Do not stay away from Holy Communion; do not by defilement with sin rob yourselves of this sacred and sanctifying mystery."

- St. Cyril of Alexandria, March 18, 386

Blessed Easter....to all you APOSTATES & HERETICS....May God have mercy on your souls....

Thanks, Joansknight. I don't know any apostates or heretics offhand, but I take your wishes of a Blessed Easter to heart, and I wish you likewise.

Happy Easter to you, @johnthe fireman and Joansknight!

You ARE a HERETIC John....

". . .the Caesars . . . tried to stamp out the faith of Christ..."
Usually not, actually. Among the pagan Caesars, persecution of foreign religions was the exception, and indifferent toleration of them (not of course joining them) was the rule. (Iʻm a Christian, not, b t w, a neo-pagan, so this isnʻt a plug for "paganism".)
For many decades, there were pagans, gradually decreasing in numbers, and
there were Christians, but there was no "paganISM". The supposed "-ism" was merely the sum total of the various pagan cults. The various pagans were not expected to support, but only to tolerate, each other.
Much later Julian tried to make an "-ism" out of the cults, and their traditional lore. His relative, Constantine, the reputed founder of political Christianity was one kind of pagan, a devotee of the Sun god, and did not get baptized as a Chirstian until near death.
The persecuting minority of emperors were Nero, Domitian, Diocletian and Decius, the latter probably the worst. Nero, weʻre told,
in pagan sources,
fabricated a story that Christians had caused the
great fire of Rome. On the other hand, the Pauline Epistles indicate that there were Christians in "middle management" positions in
Neroʻs administraton: and Nero was the "Caesar" to whom Paul thought of appealing (Acts).
Julianʻs attempted revival failed and the state religion was once again Christianity.

St. Robert Bellarmine, 1616: “The Christian faith proposes many things to be believed, which are so beyond all understanding that it is most difficult to give our consent to them; and yet we are commanded to believe them so firmly that we should be prepared (if necessary) to die a thousand deaths rather than deny one article of faith.” (De Aeterna felicitate sanctorum)

THE NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY HAS DENIED MORE THAN ONE ARTICLE OF FAITH....

In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of those disposed toward evil is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigor of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the Prophet Zachary did in spirit (Zach. 13:6): "What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands?" The answer would not be doubtful: "With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me" (Zach. 13:6). I was wounded by my friends, who did nothing to defend me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of my adversaries. And this reproach can be leveled at the weak and timid Catholic of all countries.

- Pope Saint Pius X
on the occasion of the beatification of St. Joan of Arc

I have been blocked on Twitter....NICE!

>247 Joansknight:

Sorry to hear that you've been blocked on Twitter. I don't use it myself, nor any of the other social media thingies.

I wasn't blocked....but on LT's main page....you can no longer log in using Twitter!

When St. John Fisher (1535) had finished the hymn ready to be martyred by the Anglicans for not denying the Papacy he bowed his head beneath the sword of the executioner, gave up his soul to God, and received the crown of justice. His head, fixed on a pike, was exposed to the sight of all on London Bridge, but was afterwards taken away, because it was said that the longer it remained the more ruddy full of life and venerable it seemed to grow.” (The Rise and Growth of the Anglican Schism, p. 122)

Pope Pius XI (1923): “… the heresies begotten by the Protestant Reformation. It is in these heresies that we discover the beginnings of that apostasy of mankind from the Church, the sad and disastrous effects of which are deplored, even to the present hour, by every fair mind.” (Rerum omnium pertabationem #4, Jan. 26, 1923)

Joansknight, do you think it's time we started a "Sedevacante & The One True Catholic Church (continued) Part IV" thread, as this one is getting very long now and often loads slowly?

You and I are the ONLY ones on here....and NO one besides myself cares....