Anglican archbishops call on Christians to repent for Reformation split
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1John5918
C of E archbishops call on Christians to repent for Reformation split (Guardian)
The article notes that Pope Francis made a similar appeal last autumn.
The article notes that Pope Francis made a similar appeal last autumn.
2John5918
Pope Francis: Martin Luther wanted to ‘renew the Church, not divide Her’ (Catholic Herald)
The Pope told a delegation of Lutherans that this was a matter of 'sincere contrition' for Christians today
The Pope told a delegation of Lutherans that this was a matter of 'sincere contrition' for Christians today
3PossMan
I've often thought that Henry VIII didn't think of himself as founding a completely new Church.
4timspalding
>1 John5918:
The problem is that a majority of Protestants conceive of the church so differently now, that the whole question of "unity" and "splitting" doesn't make any sense to them.
The problem is that a majority of Protestants conceive of the church so differently now, that the whole question of "unity" and "splitting" doesn't make any sense to them.
5LolaWalser
>2 John5918:
Oh, yes, St. Peter's positively breathes "contrition".
Let's see the church divest itself of its hotels, golf courses, Russian hookers... oops, mind wandering a bit... but just a bit.
Oh, yes, St. Peter's positively breathes "contrition".
Let's see the church divest itself of its hotels, golf courses, Russian hookers... oops, mind wandering a bit... but just a bit.
6r_j
Anglican archbishops call on Christians to repent? I know what a Christian is as found in the Bible: Acts 11:26 "... And the disciples were called Christians first..." and 1 Peter 4:16 " Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf." What is an "arch" bishop can't find that term in the Holy scriptures?
7apswain07
In order for Protestants and Catholics to come together and repent for splitting, they'd have to come to an agreement on what it means to united in the gospel, which would raise the question of the nature and basis of salvation (e.g., faith vs. faith alone), which would remind them why there was division in the first place.
In other words, there's still a pretty wide gap between Catholic and Protestant understandings of basic doctrine, such as what the gospel is, right?
In other words, there's still a pretty wide gap between Catholic and Protestant understandings of basic doctrine, such as what the gospel is, right?
8John5918
>7 apswain07: In other words, there's still a pretty wide gap between Catholic and Protestant understandings of basic doctrine, such as what the gospel is, right?
Probably depends on which denominations we are talking about. I suspect there is very little gap between Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans regarding the bible, but a huge gap between these three and some of the other protestant evangelical denominations which have a literalist reading of the bible. Lutheran, Anglican and Catholic theologians have also come quite close in their understanding of various aspects of ministry and sacraments, with a number of agreements such as ARCIC and the Catholic-Lutheran agreements of a few decades ago whose exact title I forget. Also, few middle to high Anglicans would have a problem with the emphasis on scripture and tradition rather than scripture alone, although low Anglicans might, and off the top of my head I'm not sure where Lutherans stand on that one.
Probably depends on which denominations we are talking about. I suspect there is very little gap between Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans regarding the bible, but a huge gap between these three and some of the other protestant evangelical denominations which have a literalist reading of the bible. Lutheran, Anglican and Catholic theologians have also come quite close in their understanding of various aspects of ministry and sacraments, with a number of agreements such as ARCIC and the Catholic-Lutheran agreements of a few decades ago whose exact title I forget. Also, few middle to high Anglicans would have a problem with the emphasis on scripture and tradition rather than scripture alone, although low Anglicans might, and off the top of my head I'm not sure where Lutherans stand on that one.
9timspalding
>7 apswain07:
The "faith vs. works" issue is largely dead outside of the extremes—most Lutheran churches were on board with the "Joint Declaration of the Doctrine of Justification," which chalks it up to semantics. Fundamentalist understandings of scripture are similar limited to groups you can be sure won't be rejoining Rome any time soon.
The big one out there is, I think, the ecclesiological issue.
The "faith vs. works" issue is largely dead outside of the extremes—most Lutheran churches were on board with the "Joint Declaration of the Doctrine of Justification," which chalks it up to semantics. Fundamentalist understandings of scripture are similar limited to groups you can be sure won't be rejoining Rome any time soon.
The big one out there is, I think, the ecclesiological issue.
10MarthaJeanne
I just finished reading Trent : what happened at the council. It makes rather sobering reading about the divisions of the time, especially considering that these people were all on the 'same' side.
