Prisoner of Azkaban chapters 17-20 discussion
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As discussed, we will finish the last two chapters of this book next week, and we'll hold off our discussion of Goblet of Fire until after the start of the new year. Happy reading and discussing!
Thoughts on chapter 17: Sirius must make for a seriously (haha) big, or at least strong, dog. He dragged Ron away like it was nothing, and apparently up the stairs, too? That's quite a dog!
Again, Sirius: why not clear up the confusion immediately? I mean, Ron says, "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us first." Now, I'd think the obvious thing to say would be, "Oh, I don't want to kill Harry, it's the rat I'm after" -- and then explain. But no, he goes with the ambiguous "There'll be only one murder here tonight." Of course, 12 years in Azkaban = loss of social skills.
Of course, emotions were running high: when Lupin tried to start to explain, Hermione interrupted.
I love all of the rapid-fire revelations in this chapter.
I'll be back with more thoughts after *ahem* I do some more reading. *sheepish look*
If the Shrieking shack was only built when Lupin first came, it gained a reputation fairly quickly. I mean, the building can only be about thirty years old -- there should be Hogsmeade residents who remember it being built! Of course, DD could have (an probably did) have it built in secrecy, and spread stories about unfairly treated workers, murdered spouses, and all of the things that cause houses to seem haunted in the first place. Still, if it's only built as a cover for Lupin, why bother furnishing it? I guess I'm saying it would have made more sense to say that the house was already there, but the tunnel was built for Lupin's use.
I laughed a bit about Lupin thinking that Snape's dislike of James was rooted in Quidditch.
#4 I watched the movie again recently and I was thinking how that reveal in the movie annoyed me. Why not just say it's the rat and why set the rat down? But I reread recently and it is there in the book too.
I wondered if Lupin's comment was one of those adult comments that don't explain the real reason for things. It was interesting in the movie that they made Lupin seem a little in love with Lily too. Perhaps all the marauders were.
I have animagus questions. Do the clothes transform with them? Do they have to find clothes? (the movie was inconsistent on that point too).
Do you think Rowling intended Scabbers to be Pettigrew all along or came up with it when she hit book three?
I'm a little surprised that Harry, after hearing (in Pettigrew's presence, no less) about how Sirius escaped from Azkaban, would think sending Pettigrew there would work. Of course, knowing that he was an animagus (and I suppose that would certainly come out), I suppose they would have put him in rat-proof confinement.
This was a quick chapter! And now I am caught up.
#5 -- I think that Scabbers was probably always meant to be Pettigrew. There are things that I think she changed or added as the series went along, but to me the Scabbers/Pettigrew thing seems pretty embedded.
4: does it say the shreiking shack was built 30 years ago, or did Lupin just start using it then. That may be when it got its reputation for being haunted.
Funny how Lupin is the most stable as a person and at the same time the most dangerous of the marauders.
Then, once he has the map, he must see that Pettigrew is still alive and at Hogwarts. Hello! He knows he's a rat, surely he could mount a search for him. But he doesn't do it. (It's even worse in the movie, because Harry mentions to Lupin that the map doesn't work because he saw Pettigrew's name on it.)
Well, maybe he didn't look at the map, you say? Well, that's even worse, because why doesn't he use it to find Sirius? He knows he's hanging around Hogwarts. Duh!
And why, why does he forget to take his potion?
In the book he offers some flimsy answer about being ashamed to tell Dumbledore what his friends had done since it would reveal he'd put their lives at risk and Dumbledore had already done so much . . .
but you'd think as an adult who thought his friend was murdered he'd say something.
I assumed he ran out because he saw sirius on the map before snape had the chance to bring him the potion but then why not get dumbledore?
Actually, I am always wondering why people never go for help and fail to explain things.
Good point, Maren, never thought of it that way.
They also don't explain in the movie how Snape knew where to find them all. And do they talk about Sirius almost killing Snape and James saving him? I forget.
I still love the movie, tho, silly me.
I think the movie alludes to James saving him but not how Snape was set up.
I love the movie too. There is so much that is good in it. Like the little whomping willow scenes.
Hey LG are you knitting anything good (completely tangential I know)?
What are you knitting, Maren?
I'm sorry I missed you guys in the chatroom, I sing on Tuesdays.
It sounds like a cute design. I have seen some hats like that lately that you can then wrap the extended earflaps around the neck. It is a great idea.
I finshed a shrug from an old 1950s pattern and a wide lace scarf I designed for my favorite professor (who did our marriage ceremony). I started another lace scarf (why for the time of year I have no idea) I need to set them all aside and knit some hats as presents.
We missed you too but singing is nice. I miss having a chance to sing regularly. What were you singing?
Those Scandinavians designs are so fun to knit.
About singing, I'm in a quartet that sings Eastern European folk. Mostly Bulgarian and Georgian (my FAV!) but other countries, as well. It's a real challenge--so different from Western music in rhythm, harmonic structure and vocal timbre. The women I sing with are all wonderful; it's my favourite night of the week.
I love Scandinavian patterns but then being Scandinavian myself I think I am biased.
Were she still alive, I think my Nana would be horrified that I'm chosing to sing Bulgarian! But she'd forgive me, as Nanas do.
Bless the Nanas!