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Gormenghast LE!

1punkzip
maj 18, 2022, 12:19 pm

Just saw pics of the Gormenghast LE on FB. Thoughts?

2SF-72
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 12:30 pm

>1 punkzip:

Could you provide a link?

4coynedj
maj 18, 2022, 12:33 pm

That slipcase wasn't what I expected. I have the "old" edition of Gormenghast and I won't buy the new one even if they do an SE down the line, but those illustrations look superb. I'm sure it will cost more than I paid for my first car.

5SF-72
maj 18, 2022, 1:19 pm

>3 punkzip:

Thank you, but unfortunately I can't see anything there, it says the content is unavailable. Either it was removed, or you have to be a Facebook member to see it.

6NLNils
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 1:25 pm

>5 SF-72: It’s snapshots of the Folio Magazine, so presumably a member here who ordered from the new collection can share the same information. One thing that blew my mind is that Dave McKean has made 150 illustrations(!) for this LE. The ultimate collectors edition if you are a fan of his work at all.

7abysswalker
maj 18, 2022, 1:43 pm

I have high regard for much of Dave McKean's work, particularly his covers for Sandman, but I do not like what I have seen of this edition at all. To be fair, the images posted of the Folio Magazine on Facebook are rather small and not the highest resolution, but even so I seriously doubt this edition will compete for me with the previous edition, which was also copiously illustrated (and in a style much more suitable to the story, in my opinion).

8abysswalker
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 1:49 pm

Here y'all go. Credit to Dave from Facebook for uploading originally.







9abysswalker
maj 18, 2022, 1:49 pm

For comparison, the earlier edition:





10Shadekeep
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 1:51 pm

>7 abysswalker: I'm not a fan of his work, but I like these drawings better than his usual "sub-Francis Bacon" paintings. That being said, still not quite the illustration style I was hoping for, so these may not be a must-have for me either.

>9 abysswalker: Yes, I'd much rather have that edition.

11DMulvee
maj 18, 2022, 1:55 pm

The magnetic hinged presentation box sounds interesting, I’m not a fan of the older version and have been waiting for an update so I would be keen on this

12assemblyman
maj 18, 2022, 2:38 pm

It looks like it will be a very interesting production but I still prefer and intend to get the older edition. The illustrations are much more to my liking though I knew this would be the case when we heard Dave McKean would be the illustrator. 150 illustrations is impressive though and I will still be interested to see what the finished product looks like.

13coffeewithastraw
maj 18, 2022, 2:47 pm

>8 abysswalker: Thank you for posting.

I like that the illustrations are in color and I like the art shown. The box I am not crazy about. I hope they will do a SE.

14SF-72
maj 18, 2022, 2:52 pm

>8 abysswalker:

Thank you for sharing the images. A limited edition with 150 illustrations by McKean won't come cheap. Still, this is appealing.

15Willoyd
maj 18, 2022, 3:13 pm

Very personally, aside from the LE status, I really can't see much point to this edition - the older one is brilliant, one of my favourites.

16red_guy
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 3:21 pm

Gosh. I was firmly in the 'satisfied with the old edition' camp as well, but this does look powerfully good.

It's going to be another £1000 job isn't it? I love the idea of having an open spine, with the threads connecting the signatures making a decorative feature and the title printed on the edges of the signatures themselves. The only book I have with this is the Polpo cookbook (produced by C&C in China, so maybe brace yourselves ...).

The images shown do look respectful of Peake's character drawings, which is a plus point. I think the previous edition succeeds because it doesn't attempt any figures at all.

Oh dear, I think I better start saving the money for that little three hour window into the online piranha tank.

17LesMiserables
maj 18, 2022, 3:27 pm

I'm sure these illustrations via a modern interpretation has fans and this will do well, but I've just never taken to any Folio Publication that has gone down this route.

In fact many of the cheap sale editions I have bought over the years have been overly represented due to modern art illustrations.

Just not to my taste.

18folio_books
maj 18, 2022, 3:37 pm

>16 red_guy: It's going to be another £1000 job isn't it? I love the idea of having an open spine, with the threads connecting the signatures making a decorative feature and the title printed on the edges of the signatures themselves. The only book I have with this is the Polpo cookbook (produced by C&C in China, so maybe brace yourselves ...).

What can possibly go wrong? ;)

19red_guy
maj 18, 2022, 3:41 pm

>18 folio_books: All this and Modern Art Illustrations too .

20ultrarightist
maj 18, 2022, 3:55 pm

>18 folio_books: Where did you get the information about the open spine? Is that in the text of the pics from above (too small for me to read)?

21whytewolf1
maj 18, 2022, 3:57 pm

>20 ultrarightist: Yes, it's stated in the article.

22red_guy
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 4:18 pm

Has the open spine technique got another, more technical name name? I'm sure I have heard it called something different.

After the Bodoniana binding of the Thomas Hardy, it's good to see them attempting another adventurous style.

>20 ultrarightist: Click twice on the photographs and they enlarge to a sensible size.

23abysswalker
maj 18, 2022, 4:21 pm

>22 red_guy: Coptic binding is one common approach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_binding

24Shadekeep
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 4:37 pm

>23 abysswalker: I have some books that use Japanese stab binding, it's also open-spine.

More info: http://blog.paperblanks.com/2016/02/stab-binding-5-things-to-know-about-this-cla...

25red_guy
Redigerat: maj 18, 2022, 4:55 pm

Thanks, >23 abysswalker: , >24 Shadekeep: those could be it!

26mr.philistine
maj 18, 2022, 4:39 pm

A word of caution against exposed spine sewings here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/341269#7816783

27red_guy
maj 18, 2022, 4:51 pm

This is my book:

https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/may-2012/praline-designs-polpo-cookbook/

In spite of the dire warnings in your link, >26 mr.philistine: it has lasted for ten years now without incident. In fact, being a cookbook it has received far more wear than a Folio LE would be likely to get! The most noticeable thing about it is just how astonishingly flat it opens. It is also a solid cuboid, with the pages perfectly aligned to the boards, although Folio may take a different approach.

28mr.philistine
maj 18, 2022, 5:57 pm

>27 red_guy: The most noticeable thing about it is just how astonishingly flat it opens.

Indeed, and your book appears bound in the Coptic style. However, Japanese stab-binding produces a spine that does not allow the book to be laid flat. Two examples of the latter kind:
https://www.stjamesparkpress.com/hercules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeMxe0Mqbd8

29Evelyn2108
maj 18, 2022, 6:39 pm

That second photo especially reminds me of a beehive book. It would be neat to see beehive style illustrations with folio paper and topography/layout.

30red_guy
maj 18, 2022, 6:52 pm

>28 mr.philistine: I see. So Folio would most likely go with a coptic binding, do you think? For the Polpo book, only the first few hundred were made in this style and the rest were conventionally bound. I imagine it would add considerably to the cost of production.

I have to confess that the binding was the only reason I bought it.

31jeremyjm
maj 18, 2022, 7:07 pm

I love the books and I love the lavishly illustrated earlier edition. This goes so radically different in the style of illustration that it feels like it will bring a whole different feel to the books, pushing the characters more to the front, where the earlier illustrations brough the castle itself to the forefront, as a character of its own. I've been a fan of McKean's work going back to the mid '90s, so admittedly it's an easy sell for me.

Will look to add this to my library, not as a replacement for the earlier edition but in addition to. Do have some concerns about the binding style - but will likely give it a go regardless.

Given that Gaiman was supposed to be producing a mini-series based on the books a couple years back, it's not surprising to see him tapped for the introduction here.

32Shadekeep
maj 18, 2022, 9:43 pm

>30 red_guy: I think Coptic or similar would be much more likely than stab binding, yes. I don't really see FS choosing stab binding for Gormenghast, though they did (very appropriately) use the classic 4-hole Japanese style for Studies from Nature. It would be a stylistically dissonant choice for Gormenghast in my opinion, and I suspect they want these volumes to lay flat when opened, too.

33HuxleyTheCat
maj 19, 2022, 7:35 am

>15 Willoyd: My feeling exactly. I have just a smidgen of regret about not shelling out for The Lord of the Rings LE (which rapidly disappears when I have to fill up my car with fuel) but I know that I am completely safe from edition-envy over the forthcoming Gormenghast.

34Hrodberht
Redigerat: maj 19, 2022, 10:02 am

A few weeks ago I would have told you that new FS LEs of The Lord of the Rings and Gormengast would both have been instant purchases for me, at any cost. Both books being favourites that lend themselves to the lavish LE treatment. Sadly, I can't say that I like the look of either new edition.

On a brighter note, I now find myself even happier with my existing elephant hide LoTR and gothic spine Gormengast and, unexpectedly, £2,000 better off (sort of).

35rsmac
maj 19, 2022, 11:24 am

I'm happy for all you fantasy fans, but as someone not all that into fantasy it's disappointing for Folio to follow up a three-volume popular fantasy LE with yet another three-volume popular fantasy LE (most likely at similar crazy expensive price).

Perhaps following LOTR with a single volume title in a new genre would have been better if they wanted to give other readers an LE to get excited about.

36Cat_of_Ulthar
maj 19, 2022, 11:39 am

>15 Willoyd:, >33 HuxleyTheCat:

Horses for courses, I know, but, for me, Gormenghast is one of my favourite books and Dave McKean is an artist whose work I enjoy hugely, so the combination of the two means I will almost certainly buy this.
I say 'almost' because I suspect it's going to be very expensive.

37What_What
maj 19, 2022, 11:43 am

>35 rsmac: Pretty sure they haven’t actually followed up on LOTR with Gormenghast, mostly due to the minor issue of the latter not being available for purchase. There is still time for other LEs to be released between now and then, so don’t give up hope just yet!

38abysswalker
maj 19, 2022, 1:58 pm

For those who haven't read it, Gormenghast is as much genre fantasy as Kafka is.

Imaginative and phantasmagoric, yes; most of the other qualities one might associate with fantasy, no. It does feature a castle though.

39coynedj
maj 19, 2022, 3:13 pm

>38 abysswalker: What, no dragons?!?

Said tongue in cheek, as someone who has read the earlier Folio edition, and loved it (the first two volumes more than the third, I must admit).

40HuxleyTheCat
maj 20, 2022, 6:43 am

>36 Cat_of_Ulthar: When there is a serendipitous union of favourite work with favoured artist then certainly the result is likely to be compelling.

I suppose the price in comparison to LOTR will depend upon the 'value' of McKean vs Lee, together with the prevailing rate of inflation at time of publication. I can't see it being less than £1000 and think that £1200 is a possibility.

41Uppernorwood
maj 22, 2022, 4:55 am

Gormenghast is a ‘fantasy’ trilogy in the same way Crime and Punishment is a ‘crime’ novel.