FIRST EDITION: THE TALE OF SINUHE

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FIRST EDITION: THE TALE OF SINUHE

1consensuspress
mar 16, 2023, 5:54 pm

The membership has overwhelmingly voted to change our elected proposal from Flowers For Algernon to The Tale of Sinuhe .

Congratulations to the proposer, glacierman, and to all who have participated in this experiment so far.

We will reach out today to the proposer, designer, and our Advisory Board to get this started. However, per our rules: Major decisions will be made by vote of the membership, if not already specified in the adopted proposal.

Therefore, we may request further member input.

We will keep members updated on this thread.

2Shadekeep
mar 16, 2023, 10:12 pm

Congratulations indeed to Glacierman, and to the community as a whole. This will be a very novel and compelling first book, I feel.

3Levin40
Redigerat: mar 17, 2023, 3:57 am

Det här meddelandet har tagits bort av dess författare.

4booksforreading
Redigerat: mar 18, 2023, 9:59 am

Deleted my question, because the answer is obvious.

5venkysuniverse
mar 20, 2023, 12:49 pm

Super excited for this edition.

6consensuspress
apr 1, 2023, 1:05 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratörWe have acquired permission from Oxford University Press to use their excellent translation by R. B. Parkinson. We will also include a short introduction by the translator. The manuscript is being prepared and soon Mark Askam will start his design work.

7grifgon
apr 1, 2023, 2:26 am

>6 consensuspress: Very exciting. The Oxford/Parkinson translation is excellent!

8Shadekeep
apr 1, 2023, 10:33 am

Wonderful, glad to see this progressing so smoothly!

9Aleks3000
apr 1, 2023, 11:17 am

Brilliant. Will the introduction be written for this edition or is it pre-existing? A nice inclusion, in either case.

10Glacierman
Redigerat: apr 1, 2023, 11:55 am

>9 Aleks3000: It is from Parkinson's intro to the Oxford edition, the rights to which are included.

11gmacaree
apr 1, 2023, 5:49 pm

This is great news, thanks to everyone involved for pushing on it

12consensuspress
apr 4, 2023, 1:15 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratörTwo announcements:

1. Max Koch will be printing The Tale of Sinuhe.

2. As the puzzle pieces come together, we have a clearer idea of how much the edition will cost to produce. We anticipate that the price for members will be on the lower end of the Advisory Board estimate.

13Glacierman
Redigerat: apr 4, 2023, 4:48 am

Yes! Max is Peter's son. That should get you all excited!

And our designer, Mark Askam, has the MS in hand.

14Shadekeep
apr 4, 2023, 7:41 am

>13 Glacierman: That does make me happy, having someone from the proven Koch printing lineage involved!

15consensuspress
apr 5, 2023, 3:44 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör🚨 🚨 🚨 THE TALE OF SINUHE IS NOW AVAILABLE TO ORDER 🚨 🚨 🚨

PLEASE USE THIS FORM TO PLACE YOUR ORDER.

16consensuspress
apr 5, 2023, 3:45 pm

We will be sending the order form via email to the entire membership tomorrow morning. In the meantime, discussion forum members are welcome to place their orders today.

We will need a minimum of 60 orders to proceed with this edition.

The deadline is May 1st.

17Shadekeep
apr 5, 2023, 3:47 pm

Ordered!

18grifgon
apr 5, 2023, 3:53 pm

>16 consensuspress: One slight clarification: Based on our current contracts and materials, 60 orders is the absolute minimum we need to eek this out. We have a few unknowns at the moment. I think 80 orders is really the number we need to proceed with total confidence.

19EdmundRodriguez
apr 5, 2023, 4:42 pm

I'm in!

20consensuspress
Redigerat: apr 5, 2023, 7:51 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör10 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

Update: I had meant to schedule the all membership email for tomorrow morning, but it appears accidentally sent it now. The website mechanics are still new to me. A reminder email is scheduled for next week.

21Shadekeep
apr 5, 2023, 7:58 pm

>20 consensuspress: When I follow the link in the email, it's the same form as above and I'm logged in with the same email address. But it doesn't show my previously submitted info. Is that because I did it the first time on a different computer? Or should I enter my data again?

22consensuspress
apr 5, 2023, 8:37 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör20 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

23const-char-star
apr 5, 2023, 10:22 pm

Ordered!

24jsg1976
apr 5, 2023, 11:30 pm

Is there a post or something that says what the final specs are for what we’re being asked to order? Other than the translation and the printer, I don’t know that I’ve seen anything concrete. Even glacierman’s final 2nd round proposal had some flexibility in it.

25AMindForeverVoyaging
apr 5, 2023, 11:41 pm

>24 jsg1976: This was in the email that was sent earlier today: "The Tale of Sinuhe will cost $310 per book. It consists of 48 pages, printed letterpress on Johannot mouldmade paper. The book will be handbound in cloth and marbled paper, and housed in a slipcase and chemise."

26jsg1976
apr 5, 2023, 11:43 pm

>25 AMindForeverVoyaging: thanks. I had missed that in the email.

27consensuspress
Redigerat: apr 6, 2023, 1:14 am

>24 jsg1976: We are following the proposal as closely as possible in the production. The main update is that we are using Johannot paper.

28consensuspress
Redigerat: apr 6, 2023, 1:15 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratör30 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe. We are halfway to our minimum needed to proceed.

29rocklands
apr 6, 2023, 4:37 am

very exciting order place, do we have an rough idea of what the production time would be? not that it will affect my decision just curious

30Dr.Fiddy
apr 6, 2023, 7:04 am

>28 consensuspress: I have the same question as >21 Shadekeep: In my case it's both the same email address and the same computer.

31Flaubie
apr 6, 2023, 9:06 am

>15 consensuspress: Like other members here, I have placed the order through this thread, but then also received the email. Should I ignore the email?

32booksforreading
apr 6, 2023, 9:15 am

I only see a form that asks for an email address and preferred number. There is no payment link.
Upon submitting the form, I expected to receive an email with payment link - so far, nothing. Is this what is called "placing an order"? I am confused. From the posts above it looks like people are actually paying.

33EdmundRodriguez
apr 6, 2023, 9:18 am

I am assuming the email with payment only happens later, once 60+ people have signed up and initial ordering window has closed.

However, it would be nice to get a confirmation email in the meantime (to reassure people they're on the list!).

34Tuna_Melon
apr 6, 2023, 10:31 am

After you submit the form, a confirmation page appears, as in the image below:





(1) It has, "Thank you for your order," which is confirmation that an order has been placed.


(2) It also states that invoicing will happen after a sufficient number of orders are received.


I think it's easier to take payment later to avoid the possible headache of processing many refunds if the minimum order quantity isn't reached.

I agree that a confirmation email would be nice too, but I recall we had a similar process during voting, where we didn't get confirmation by email until a certain round/phase/process was done. Once each process was complete though, I think the Consensus Press team has done of great job of being fully transparent and showing the data. I expect not having instant email notifications after Google form submissions may be a limitation of how our infrastructure is set up. Considering that everything has been done on the cheap (we haven't forked out a cent yet), I can certainly live with the delayed email confirmation.

Furthermore, for anyone who has concerns about whether the order went through, I expect you could either resubmit your form to overwrite the previous submission/order that you placed (and thus have a chance to see this confirmation screen I've shown above for yourself) or else reach out to the Consensus Press admin team to inquire as I can vouch that they have been helpful and responsive when I had a previous query.

35consensuspress
apr 6, 2023, 1:30 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör40 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

36consensuspress
Redigerat: apr 6, 2023, 1:37 pm

>30 Dr.Fiddy: >31 Flaubie: >32 booksforreading: You need only submit the form once. However, if you aren't sure about whether you correctly submitted the form, you can submit it again. Invoices will only be sent once we have received a sufficient number of orders to cover the cost of the production.

We will be directly reaching out to members who haven't yet ordered The Tale of Sinuhe several times before the May 1st deadline.

37consensuspress
apr 6, 2023, 1:37 pm

>34 Tuna_Melon: This is all correct! Thank you.

For some reason, Google Forms isn't automatically sending a receipt.

38consensuspress
apr 6, 2023, 4:22 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör45 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

15 to go before we are good to proceed with production.

39consensuspress
apr 7, 2023, 4:19 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratör50 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

40consensuspress
apr 7, 2023, 7:01 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör55 members have placed orders for The Tale of Sinuhe.

Five to go.

41consensuspress
apr 9, 2023, 12:42 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör🚨 🚨 🚨 THE TALE OF SINUHE HAS BEEN FUNDED 🚨 🚨 🚨

Sixty members have submitted orders, meaning that production will proceed.

Invoices will begin going out today.

Any member who hasn't submitted an order has until May 1st to do so.

42SyllicSpell
apr 9, 2023, 1:01 pm

Wonderful news. I'm excited for this project.

43Dr.Fiddy
apr 9, 2023, 2:52 pm

That’s great news! Congrats to glacierman and us all 😊

44Shadekeep
apr 9, 2023, 2:58 pm

Hurrah!

45rocklands
apr 9, 2023, 3:50 pm

well done and thank you for all the hard work behind the scenes from everyone involved!

46grifgon
apr 9, 2023, 4:08 pm

Exciting indeed! I do think we need a few more orders at least for comfort. Expect the unexpected and all.

We haven't signed the contract yet, but it does look like Alanna Simenson will be the binder. That means:

Designer — Mark Askam
Printer — Max Koch
Binder — Alanna Simenson

A phenomenal team. I couldn't be more excited for this edition.

47kermaier
apr 9, 2023, 4:30 pm

This will be a ton of fun!

48koszakedv
Redigerat: apr 9, 2023, 5:36 pm

>46 grifgon:
I will order it too, but it was an expensive month and have to wait until I get my next wage.

49consensuspress
apr 9, 2023, 5:57 pm

>48 koszakedv: It helps us with accounting if you place your order now. The invoice we will send you can be paid whenever it's convenient.

50consensuspress
apr 9, 2023, 6:05 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörInvoices have begun going out to members who placed orders. It will take a few days to send them all, because paypal places a daily limit for new accounts.

In the meantime, if you haven't ordered yet, please do: https://forms.gle/3XpXBuSbe8EMsFGL7

51kdweber
apr 9, 2023, 7:08 pm

>50 consensuspress: We’ll that invoice arrived quickly. I’m happy to see this project on track.

52Glacierman
apr 9, 2023, 8:45 pm

>51 kdweber: Me, too!

53const-char-star
Redigerat: apr 10, 2023, 10:28 am

Should we be concerned if we didn’t receive an invoice email when they were sent out yesterday?

54Shadekeep
apr 10, 2023, 11:00 am

>53 const-char-star: It sounds like they are going out in batches, to avoid triggering an issue with the payment collection. So I wouldn't worry for a while yet.

55consensuspress
apr 10, 2023, 4:14 pm

>53 const-char-star: >54 Shadekeep: This is correct. Paypal is only allowing us to send thirty invoices per day, because the account is new.

56const-char-star
apr 10, 2023, 5:28 pm

57EdmundRodriguez
apr 11, 2023, 5:05 am

I'll ask this question here, in case relevant for others: My invoice currently includes the US postage cost, rather than RoW (I'm based in the UK). Should I pay it as it is (and pay the extra shipping later) or get the invoice updated?

58consensuspress
apr 11, 2023, 5:27 am

>57 EdmundRodriguez: I must have made some mistakes on the US vs. Worldwide shipping. If your invoice has the wrong one, please send an email to press@consensuspress.com and I can adjust your invoice accordingly. Thanks.

59EdmundRodriguez
apr 11, 2023, 5:34 am

>58 consensuspress: Perfect, done. Thank you very much and no problem at all!

60jveezer
apr 11, 2023, 12:57 pm

Have all the invoices been sent out? If so, I'll need to reorder as I have not seen one. I did order but used the link on this thread, not the email one...maybe I screwed it up or it got lost in the cracks of the internet.

61consensuspress
apr 11, 2023, 5:59 pm

>60 jveezer: Not yet. I'll announce when all invoices have been sent.

Reminder: Members still have until May 1st to submit orders.

62Praveenna_Nagaratnam
apr 12, 2023, 9:15 am

>61 consensuspress: I keep receiving reminder emails to order a copy although I have placed an order. I filled the form a second time as I never received an invoice, but now received another email reminding me to place an order before 1st of May. Does that mean my order isn't going through?

63DMulvee
apr 12, 2023, 9:21 am

>62 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: I've had an invoice and paid and also received the email, so I think that they are emailing all members rather than those who haven't ordered.

It would be good if members could log into the website and see whether their order has been 'paid', 'placed' or 'unordered' currently to avoid confusion

64Praveenna_Nagaratnam
apr 12, 2023, 9:53 am

>63 DMulvee: Ok thank you. I won't fill up the form again then until all the invoices have gone out to avoid overloading the admin.

65Glacierman
apr 12, 2023, 9:54 am

>62 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: If you have already ordered and get a reminder, ignore it. It's a blanket e-mailing. I get them, too, even though I, as the proposer, don't need to order one.

66consensuspress
apr 12, 2023, 2:47 pm

Sorry for any confusion. If you have received and paid a paypal invoice, then you are set, regardless of any other mass-email communication you receive. Some members who have submitted ordered still have not received paypal invoices because we are limited in the number we can send per day.

67booksforreading
apr 12, 2023, 4:54 pm

Is the deadline to pay the same as the deadline to place an order - May 1?

68consensuspress
apr 12, 2023, 5:45 pm

>67 booksforreading: No. We haven't determined a deadline for paying yet, but it likely won't be until when we pay the bookbinder, which is the biggest per copy expense by far.

69consensuspress
apr 12, 2023, 5:50 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörSome updates:

64 members have placed orders, and the majority have paid. We are still waiting to send a further 15 invoices for submitted orders.

The fund has reached $13,867.85 which is sufficient to pay for the permissions, all materials, and the printing.

We will post polls soon regarding a few design decisions for the membership.

70GusLogan
apr 13, 2023, 2:30 pm

>69 consensuspress:
As a likely drop-out I am delighted to know this is going ahead! I can’t justify the expenditure but would have felt really bad about being part of a passively deciding minority against.

71consensuspress
apr 15, 2023, 3:29 pm

A few have asked for the full Tale of Sinuhe proposal to be reposted. Here it is:

Contents
The Tale of Sinuhe is considered one of the finest works of ancient Egyptian literature, a true classic. Composed around 1875 BC in Middle Egyptian, it is today largely considered a work of fiction. Fiction or fact, the universal nature of the themes explored in Sinuhe, including divine providence and mercy, make it a classic. Parallels have been drawn between the Biblical story of Joseph and other Biblical tales. Its anonymous author has been described as the “Egyptian Shakespeare.” This nearly 4000 year old literary work is truly deserving of a fine press edition.

The translation of R. B. Parkinson is in copyright, but the permissions should not be too hard to obtain. The text as published by Oxford (1998) includes a 6 page introduction, which might either be reprinted or perhaps he would be willing to write a new one for this particular edition. The Oxford printing is accompanied by copious endnotes (11 pp.) which may be included either in toto or as a selection made by the translator. Whichever is used, the notes are essential to full understanding of the text.

Printing
Paper: I leave the final choice to the printer, but would suggest Zerkall Book, 145 gsm, vellum finish, cream (if you can get it); Johannot, white, 125 gsm (Legion); or Fabriano Roma, cream, 130 gsm. Choice of paper will determine final actual dimensions of book, but generally, 8vo.

Type: 14 pt Golden Cockerel for the text with GC Titling Caps on the t. p. and drop caps. Digital versions are available, or lacking that, either Goudy Old Style with its accompanying italic or Kennerly.

Other typographic consideration
Simple two-color title page; justified margins (I hate ragged margins); judicious use of the second color in the text block, primarily in drop-caps. For the second color, use RGB 200, 54, 66 (CMYK 0, 146, 134, 55).

Layout: Apply the elsewhere-mentioned J. A. Van De Graaf Canon but with the Tschichold page ratio of 2:3. This layout results in a very beautiful two-page spread.

Illustrations
A reproduction of the hieratic script of the tale as found on the Papyrus R (Berlin 10499), if feasible, would make a nice illus to go with the introduction. No text illustrations at all.

Binding
Hand-sewn headbands of ultramarine (TALAS Headband silk thread, blueberry) and gold (TALAS Headband silk thread, gold); signatures hand sewn on linen tapes; spine rounded and backed.

Attach the boards using a Harrison groove (supported French groove) which requires split boards.

Smooth spine, regardless of board attachment method. T. e. g., others untrimmed.

Wheat yellow buckram spine (TALAS Buckram color #260), sides of blue marbled paper with gold highlights ( TALAS French P marbled paper, color #924). This is a linen buckram.

Front board with “Sinuhe” in hieroglyphics (obtained from the translator) printed on an inset papyrus label, spine stamped in blue with title (“Sinuhe”) and at bottom of spine, “CP”.

Chemise covered in Kennet Bookcloth, Royal Blue (TALAS); slipcase covered in the same material as the spine of the book.

72Praveenna_Nagaratnam
apr 16, 2023, 11:37 am

>65 Glacierman: >71 consensuspress: I forgot how detailed this one was. Such a beautifully described proposal

73Levin40
apr 16, 2023, 12:34 pm

>71 consensuspress: Thanks for that. The knowledge and vision within this proposal is first class.

Regarding 'The text as published by Oxford (1998) includes a 6 page introduction, which might either be reprinted or perhaps he would be willing to write a new one for this particular edition.' Has this been looked into? Would R B Parkinson be willing to write a new or adapted introduction? Perhaps he would also be willing to sign this edition?

74consensuspress
apr 16, 2023, 1:39 pm

>73 Levin40: We have received permission to print a truncated version of the introduction. We reached out to Parkinson to ask about signing the edition, but we haven't heard back from him yet.

75consensuspress
apr 23, 2023, 11:50 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörThere is only one week left to place an order for The Tale of Sinuhe.

76jveezer
apr 24, 2023, 11:10 am

Have all invoices gone out at this point? If so, I'll have to re-order as mine seems not to have gone through...

77consensuspress
apr 27, 2023, 3:39 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörThe end of this weekend is the deadline for ordering The Tale of Sinuhe. So far, we have 67 orders.

78marceloanciano
apr 29, 2023, 5:45 am

Unfortunately I’m going to have to pass on the book, although I am wanting to see the physical book itself, the story doesn’t really interest me, if I had managed to manage my budgets better the last few months I could have considered it, but it was this or another book I actually really wanted and could only have one!. I wish the project well.

79consensuspress
apr 30, 2023, 11:44 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratörToday is the last day to order The Tale of Sinuhe.

Tomorrow, members who didn't order the edition will be removed and we will proceed with a ballot for changes to the proposal. Then, production begins.

80chopinblues
apr 30, 2023, 2:35 pm

Does anyone know how many actual voting members we had originally?

81kermaier
apr 30, 2023, 7:21 pm

>80 chopinblues: I believe it was 176

82Tuna_Melon
Redigerat: apr 30, 2023, 7:35 pm

>80 chopinblues:
as >81 kermaier: says, 176 people expressed interest. I can't recall what choices we might have voted on (if any) prior to submitting the proposals for Round 1. On October 7, 2022, Consensus Press sent out an email to confirm that there were only 126 proposals submitted by members, which was a requirement to maintain membership. So, the maximum number of members who could have made a purchase of the first edition was 126.


A snippet from the email.

83Glacierman
apr 30, 2023, 8:51 pm

>82 Tuna_Melon: And of the 126, 67 have ordered the book so far.

84consensuspress
apr 30, 2023, 9:02 pm

The number of members who signed up during our open invitation: 176
The number of members after proposals were submitted: 126 (-50)
The number of members after voting: 122 (-4)
The number of members who have ordered the The Tale of Sinuhe so far: 72 (-50)

85Glacierman
apr 30, 2023, 10:31 pm

72! Super!

86chopinblues
maj 1, 2023, 1:43 pm

>83 Glacierman: Precisely the reason I asked this question, as it appears only about half the members actually ordered the book, and that's in spite of it being relatively inexpensive. Even I had no interest in this book, but ended up ordering a copy for a friend. Perhaps in the future, when the voting list is pared down to the top 10 entries, we could somehow qualify the votes with the likelihood of the voter purchasing the book. Not sure how that would work exactly, but I do suspect we'd be better off with a book that perhaps didn't win the vote, but is more likely to get purchased by a majority of members.

87Glacierman
maj 1, 2023, 2:33 pm

>86 chopinblues: Sinuhe garnered half the votes that Flowers did. Had there not been another press doing it, etc., it would have been our selection, and I wonder just how many orders it would have garnered. More? About the same? Guess we'll never know.

88consensuspress
maj 1, 2023, 11:57 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratör🚨 ORDERING FOR THE TALE OF SINUHE IS NOW CLOSED. 🚨

We'll have some big updates in the next few days once we cut down the members roster.

89Tuna_Melon
maj 2, 2023, 12:17 am

>84 consensuspress: Thank you for sharing this.
I made the incorrect assumption that we would've lost zero people in the voting phase. That's egg on my face. I figured that the voting was the fun part (and was much easier than the proposal phase).

90ultrarightist
maj 2, 2023, 11:00 am

>88 consensuspress: What is the final number of orders?

91kcshankd
maj 3, 2023, 3:06 pm

>84 consensuspress:

I ended up not ordering this volume, but am definitely interested in the possibilities of a second volume if/when that is an issue.

92elladan0891
maj 7, 2023, 11:32 am

>86 chopinblues: Perhaps in the future, when the voting list is pared down to the top 10 entries, we could somehow qualify the votes with the likelihood of the voter purchasing the book... I do suspect we'd be better off with a book that perhaps didn't win the vote, but is more likely to get purchased by a majority of members

Algernon and Sinuhe didn't simply "win the vote". The second round was ranked choice voting. So these two were the ones with the highest likelihood of being purchased.

93consensuspress
maj 9, 2023, 2:10 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratörWe are ready to send out the ballot to adopt or reject changes to The Tale of Sinuhe before production begins. If any members wants to propose any further change, you have until 12 P.M. Eastern on Thursday.

94booksforreading
maj 11, 2023, 8:34 am

>93 consensuspress:
I did not receive the ballot, though I did order the book.

95consensuspress
maj 11, 2023, 9:25 am

>94 booksforreading: It hasn't been sent yet. It's being sent at 12 P.M. Eastern.

96consensuspress
maj 11, 2023, 12:14 pm

Delayed a few hours due to a technical hiccup. The ballots will be in members' email inboxes later today.

97booksforreading
maj 12, 2023, 7:55 am

>96 consensuspress:
Was it sent yesterday? I still did not receive it.

98c_schelle
maj 12, 2023, 9:12 am

I just received my ballot.

99consensuspress
maj 12, 2023, 11:29 am

The proposed change to The Tale of Sinuhe is currently leading 39 to 3. It is mathematically impossible for the proposal to fail at this point, so we will proceed with a paper order from Velke Losiny.

We should have a production schedule posted by the end of the month.

100ultrarightist
Redigerat: maj 12, 2023, 4:27 pm

I like how things are now proceeding at a brisker pace after months of inertia. I was concerned that this venture was fading out before it ever got off the ground. In retrospect, we should have stipulated that the press's first publication must be public domain so as to expedite the first volume and lay a foundation for the future.

101Glacierman
maj 12, 2023, 2:26 pm

>100 ultrarightist: OTOH, obtaining the rights for the second choice (Sinuhe) went quickly. Oxford was quite prompt in replying to the request. The take-away is that rights are readily obtained from some sources, and take forever from others or are just not obtainable, and with everything in between.

I would suggest therefore that a proposer, if suggesting a work in copyright, do some investigation prior in order to establish the difficulty--or lack thereof--of obtaining the rights. This would, I think, serve to reduce the probability of the kind of problem we experienced this time with the original selection.

102dlphcoracl
maj 12, 2023, 5:18 pm

>101 Glacierman:

No offense meant, but that is a terrible idea. If you think that I (or anyone else) want to spend time researching the likelihood of obtaining the rights to a work still protected by copyright as a pre-condition to submitting a proposal, well, guess again. I would simply walk away from the entire Consensus Press concept.

103gmacaree
maj 12, 2023, 6:25 pm

I think the Consensus concept actually worked really well here — we as a group tried something, couldn't get it to work, and then fairly seamlessly pivoted to the second choice, which did.

104kdweber
maj 12, 2023, 7:12 pm

I have to agree with both >102 dlphcoracl: and >103 gmacaree:.

105Glacierman
maj 12, 2023, 7:46 pm

>102 dlphcoracl: None taken. It was just an (unpopular) idea. Ah, well. So it goes.

106Shadekeep
maj 12, 2023, 10:23 pm

>103 gmacaree: Exactly. The process turned out to involve a bit more consensus than expected is all. It came together in the end. Or will once the book is done, don't mean to jinx anything!

107grifgon
maj 13, 2023, 7:03 am

I think the Consensus Press process should be pretty self-correcting in this regard. Presumably, if members didn't like the monthslong wait to no avail for a copyrighted work, they can vote against all works under copyright next time. Maybe one thing that could be done is to provide better labeling. e.g."This proposal involves a work under copyright."

108consensuspress
maj 16, 2023, 3:35 am

For those curious, Penguin Random House has finally responded to our copyright inquiry for Flowers for Algernon .

109Shadekeep
maj 16, 2023, 7:40 am

>108 consensuspress: In the positive or the negative?

110dlphcoracl
Redigerat: maj 17, 2023, 10:04 am

>109 Shadekeep:

With Conversation Tree Press acquiring the rights to Flowers for Algernon, it has now become irrelevant. I have little doubt Tony Geer will design and publish an issue superior to whatever the cost-constrained Consensus Press would have issued.

111Shadekeep
maj 17, 2023, 1:55 pm

>110 dlphcoracl: Aye, I'm sure they'll do a fine job. I'm mostly just curious how the coin toss would have landed had we stuck with it.

112consensuspress
maj 23, 2023, 12:59 am

>109 Shadekeep: Penguin Random House's response was generally positive but they asked for further information about our edition before going forward.

113Shadekeep
maj 23, 2023, 8:07 am

>112 consensuspress: I see, thanks for the info.

114consensuspress
maj 25, 2023, 9:24 am

Meddelande från gruppens administratörUpdate: The handmade paper for The Tale of Sinuhe has been ordered from Velke Losiny.

115EdmundRodriguez
maj 25, 2023, 9:52 am

Do we know now what the page size will be?

116Glacierman
Redigerat: maj 25, 2023, 4:56 pm

>115 EdmundRodriguez: I believe it will be 7.5 x 11 inches on lovely paper.

NOTE: I corrected my answer to reflect reality versus my fuzzy memory.

117ChestnutPress
maj 25, 2023, 4:53 pm

>115 EdmundRodriguez: 7.5 x 11 inches. The edition will be much more handsome at this larger size, especially with the Golden Cockerel type, which always looks better when used bigger.

118ChestnutPress
maj 25, 2023, 4:54 pm

>116 Glacierman: On very lovely paper. I’m a huge fan of Velke Losiny handmades

119EdmundRodriguez
maj 25, 2023, 7:06 pm

Sounds excellent! Looking forward to it.

120dlphcoracl
maj 26, 2023, 10:10 am

>118 ChestnutPress:

And so am I!!

121ChestnutPress
maj 26, 2023, 1:44 pm

>120 dlphcoracl: What’s not to love!

122Glacierman
Redigerat: jun 26, 2023, 7:11 pm

I've been asked to post some status updates so you folks know what is going on behind the scenes.

1. Mark has a preliminary design done and it looks good.
2. The paper is on its way to the printer, Max Koch, in Austin.
3. The translator, Prof. Parkinson, will be providing a graphic for our use consisting of the name Sinuhe (or perhaps the alternate, Sanehat, in hieroglyphics and in hieratic and we'll pick one...or maybe both.
4. Prof. Parkinson will also be providing us with his recent revisions: there are a few places where I've changed my mind about the translation (wording only, nothing that alters page-layout in a major way.... This will be the first publication of those revisions.
5. We are going to see if he would be amenable to signing our edition as I believe he will be.

All in all, Prof. Parkinson's direct contributions will enhance this edition. This is getting even more exciting with time!

I can hardly wait to see the finished book.

for the Press,

Glacierman (Richard Hardesty)

123Didici
jun 26, 2023, 7:37 pm

All excellent news! Both thanks for and congratulations on the great progress so far.

124Praveenna_Nagaratnam
jun 26, 2023, 7:49 pm

>122 Glacierman: All sounds amazing! Thank you for the update

125Shadekeep
jun 26, 2023, 9:58 pm

>122 Glacierman: Really superb news all around! And it would be splendid to have the signatures on top of everything else.

126Levin40
jun 27, 2023, 4:21 am

>122 Glacierman: Thanks for the update and thanks to everyone involved for their hard work. Happy to hear that Prof Parkinson is now directly involved and that we'll be receiving a (perhaps unique?) revised version of the translation.

127Glacierman
jun 27, 2023, 5:11 am

>126 Levin40: I believe the professor's revisions will be appearing in print for the first time in our edition.

128Glacierman
jun 27, 2023, 6:41 pm

This note just to verify that Prof. Parkinson will be signing all copies.

129mnmcdwl
jun 27, 2023, 7:25 pm

As this project moves along, I am getting more and more excited about it. Thank you for the updates!

130Shadekeep
jun 27, 2023, 8:00 pm

>128 Glacierman: Outstanding! Well done, my friend.

131Glacierman
jun 28, 2023, 12:11 pm

Well, things continue to get rather exciting. I have another update, but am holding off until the details have been hammered out. For now, let's just say that our edition is going to end up being a very special one, more so than it is already. Stay tuned.......

132elladan0891
jun 29, 2023, 7:05 pm

>131 Glacierman: Sinuhe will be signing too? )

Thank you for the updates and looking forward to seeing what else you got up your sleeve. I'm excited about this project!

133Glacierman
jun 29, 2023, 8:43 pm

>132 elladan0891: Sinuhe will be signing too?

In a sense, as it will bear his name in hieroglyphics on the front cover. :-D

134gmacaree
jul 3, 2023, 4:32 am

>122 Glacierman: Thanks for the update, Richard.

Do we have a sense of the timeline at this point? This questions should be taken as an attempt to gratify my curiousity rather than implying impatience etc.

135Glacierman
jul 3, 2023, 3:36 pm

>134 gmacaree: Well, Prof. Parkinson is busy with exams right now and will be pretty busy through mid-month. We expect things to start to pop shortly after that.

One new development to which I made reference above (post 131) is that the good professor will be revising and updating the introduction. This won't happen until late this month.

Once Mark has the revised text and intro in hand, it should not take him too long to update the design and things should proceed apace from that point on. Once Mark has the design finalized, then the plates can be ordered, etc. I'm not in a position at this time to hazard a guess as to when the book will be finished other than it will be done well before the end of the year, barring any unforeseen disasters.

I am getting more and more excited about this project as time goes on, especially now that Prof. Parkinson is directly involved. He is quite taken with it.

So now, we wait......

136mnmcdwl
jul 3, 2023, 10:39 pm

>135 Glacierman: This is wonderful news and will make the book even more special. I am looking forward to seeing it develop over the coming months!

137Levin40
jul 4, 2023, 2:38 am

>135 Glacierman: Thanks for letting us know, that's great news. Sounds like we'll be getting something very special and quite unique!

I was wondering if the plan is to still select begin the process of selecting the next title in the autumn or whether we wait until Sinuhe is out the door first. As with >134 gmacaree:, no rush at my end, just curiosity.

138ultrarightist
jul 5, 2023, 1:26 am

>135 Glacierman: Thank you for the updates. They have renewed my hope for Consensus Press.

139grifgon
jul 7, 2023, 3:00 pm

The recent developments have been really welcome. This edition has became a real literary endeavor with top-notch craftspeople to bring it to life – the very best of what fine presswork can be.

👏 A special thanks to Richard whose work behind the scenes has made these developments possible! 👏

140consensuspress
jul 13, 2023, 4:09 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörThe Velke Losiny paper shipment is held up in customs for a number of reasons, but we are working to get it released. When we do, the paper will be with Max Koch and he will be ready to start printing.

141Glacierman
jul 13, 2023, 10:12 pm

>140 consensuspress: Good grief. Bureaucracy!

142dlphcoracl
jul 15, 2023, 9:29 pm

>140 consensuspress:
>141 Glacierman:

Would have been better off stating that it was a shipment of cocaine on the Customs declaration forms.

143ultrarightist
jul 16, 2023, 12:16 pm

>142 dlphcoracl: What's good for the White House is good for the...oh wait...

144consensuspress
jul 16, 2023, 3:29 pm

>141 Glacierman: >142 dlphcoracl: >143 ultrarightist: The problem is that Velke Losiny did not include a commercial invoice with the package, and all of the attached information is in Czech.

145grifgon
jul 16, 2023, 6:36 pm

>144 consensuspress: Has the paper cleared customs?

146consensuspress
jul 17, 2023, 2:38 pm

>145 grifgon: Just sent you an email, highly urgent.

147consensuspress
jul 19, 2023, 10:15 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörThe paper has been delivered.

148kermaier
jul 19, 2023, 10:22 pm

149ultrarightist
jul 20, 2023, 12:00 am

I am very glad the US customs service ensured that the Czech handmade paper was safe before letting it enter the country.

150grifgon
Redigerat: jul 20, 2023, 4:35 pm

>149 ultrarightist: Imagine them checking every sheet!

The issue, it turned out, was that Velke Losiny did not include a commercial invoice with the package. That, combined with the fact that the paper was being shipped to Max Koch, who did not purchase it and is not registered as an importer, left customs scratching their heads. Basically, the package had no information linking it to a real importer or exporter. Therefore, FedEx was going to destroy it. I got on the phone with them and claimed it as a No Reply import, and then it cleared right away. We are actually running into a few problems on the back-end with Consensus Press being a legally fictitious entity, so if we go for a second edition, I think it would be wise to set up a 501(c)(3) with a few trustees.

151Glacierman
jul 20, 2023, 11:10 pm

>150 grifgon: I think that would be wise.

152Glacierman
jul 20, 2023, 11:15 pm

>150 grifgon: "Therefore, FedEx was going to destroy it."

By all means, destroy that dangerous illegal paper! Lord knows what its street value is. /sarcasm

153gmacaree
jul 21, 2023, 2:58 am

>150 grifgon: I sort of like the idea of an Imaginary Press!

>152 Glacierman: As a true bibliophile I imagined you'd be familiar with the sort of high you can get from sniffing paper ...

154Glacierman
jul 21, 2023, 4:12 am

>153 gmacaree: Oh, man. Like, that is so faar out. That Velke Losiny is really good shit, man. Like, wow. Hey, don't bogart that sheet, man, pass it over to me.

155Glacierman
jul 25, 2023, 11:15 am

Revisions received from the good Professor. We'll be getting them added as soon as possible. Looking even better!

156ChestnutPress
jul 25, 2023, 2:47 pm

>155 Glacierman: Revisions done and sent for proofing!

157venkysuniverse
jul 27, 2023, 7:36 pm

Thanks a lot for the updates. Really looking forward to it!

158ChestnutPress
jul 29, 2023, 9:46 pm

Second set of revisions done and sent, so approval draws nearer!

159Glacierman
jul 29, 2023, 10:56 pm

Getting closer to a final design. We're down to minor tweaks.

160Shadekeep
jul 30, 2023, 12:39 pm

161consensuspress
aug 15, 2023, 2:21 pm

A ballot for two decisions will be sent in the next 24 hours. If anybody would be willing to proofread it and vote early, please email press@consensuspress.com.

162consensuspress
aug 16, 2023, 1:11 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörThe ballot has been sent. Please check your emails and vote as promptly as possible. Once these two decisions have been made, we can begin printing.

163Shadekeep
aug 16, 2023, 1:27 pm

Much ta. I have a very strong preference on one letter pairing in the logos over the other.

164jordanxn
aug 16, 2023, 1:28 pm

Last question is broken, have to select one option for each row but only one option per column.

165Shadekeep
aug 16, 2023, 1:29 pm

>164 jordanxn: That's by design, it's ranked choice.

166EdmundRodriguez
aug 16, 2023, 2:06 pm

>163 Shadekeep: I prefer the distinct rather than joined letters. I think the merged looks a little too much like a "G".

167Shadekeep
aug 16, 2023, 3:21 pm

>166 EdmundRodriguez: You're not alone, though it seems everyone sees a G in one or the other. https://www.librarything.com/topic/353032

168consensuspress
aug 16, 2023, 3:26 pm

Thirty votes so far. The signatures question has a clear frontrunner, but the logo question is up in the air.

169grifgon
Redigerat: aug 16, 2023, 3:28 pm

My picks: All signatures, A1

I think the ligature imprint marks (where the C and P are combined) look much more elegant than the non-ligature. This is a fine press enterprise after all, I think a little typographic flair is called for.

170consensuspress
aug 16, 2023, 4:14 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörWith more than half our members' votes in, it is overwhelmingly likely that "Just the signature of R. B. Parkinson, the translator" will win.

171Glacierman
aug 16, 2023, 9:24 pm

>170 consensuspress: Well, he's primed and ready to go!

172jordanxn
aug 17, 2023, 11:04 am

>165 Shadekeep: On mobile it only showed me 1st/2nd/3rd/4th, so I couldn't fill out the ballot properly! Didn't realize I could drag to the left to show 5th and 6th lol

173Shadekeep
aug 17, 2023, 11:47 am

>172 jordanxn: Ah, that makes sense. I guess the poll isn't "responsive" as per web-design lingo. :)

174consensuspress
aug 27, 2023, 4:02 pm

Meddelande från gruppens administratörA follow up ballot will be in your inboxes shortly. Here is the link as well:

https://forms.gle/ubAYs6etBSwVVZHW6

175Glacierman
aug 27, 2023, 4:47 pm

176Shadekeep
aug 27, 2023, 5:24 pm

Happily voted.

177grifgon
aug 29, 2023, 2:21 pm

IMPORTANT!

We are days away from sending The Tale of Sinuhe to Max for printing. Mark has gone through the typography with an ultra-microscopic fine toothed comb. If he goes through it one last time, his brain will turn to mush, so we're cutting him loose and Richard or I will do the final proofread.

If you would like to help proofread The Tale of Sinuhe before it goes to press, please email me (griffin@noreplypress.com).

I know from experience that no matter how sharp your eyes, you'll miss something – even the obvious! So the more proofreaders the better.

178koszakedv
aug 30, 2023, 12:39 pm

Will be some LEC type "monthly letter" with info about the book and how CP started, those involved in it, etc...? Not necessarily letterpress.

179grifgon
aug 30, 2023, 6:33 pm

We have ten (!) volunteer proofreaders with the layout. Once they're done, Sinuhe will be off to Max Koch for printing.

180grifgon
aug 30, 2023, 6:41 pm

>178 koszakedv: We would need somebody to volunteer to write and print it, and then send copies to our various shippers to be included with the book. I'm all for it.

181Glacierman
aug 30, 2023, 7:43 pm

>178 koszakedv: >180 grifgon: Some of that is currently in the colophon, but there is certainly more to the tale that could be told.

182Glacierman
sep 1, 2023, 3:46 pm

>180 grifgon: I'll do it!

183Glacierman
sep 1, 2023, 3:51 pm

Well, we're getting there! Final proof-reading is almost done. Once that has been dealt with (soon), Mark will send it off to Max for printing.

Oh, yeah. It's happening.

184grifgon
sep 1, 2023, 4:59 pm

>183 Glacierman: Extremely exciting.

One cloud in the sky:

I just received word from Max that his current project on press is behind schedule, so he won't be able to put Sinuhe on press right away. This may have no effect whatsoever, since we're planning on having Parkinson sign in late October anyway. But, if Max can't deliver the sheets before then – well, we'll see!

I'd give an "honest best guess" estimate of Sinuhe shipping to members around March 2024. Speaking of which, if anybody would like to volunteer to help with shipping...

185grifgon
Redigerat: sep 1, 2023, 5:00 pm

>182 Glacierman: If you do it, I'll print it letterpress!

Teamwork makes the dream work.

And actually, you're not thaaat far from Portland. You should come visit when it's on press. Print it yourself!

186Glacierman
sep 1, 2023, 5:40 pm

>185 grifgon: Don't tempt me!

187grifgon
sep 7, 2023, 10:43 pm

To our proofreaders: Thank you for your wonderful input. If any haven't sent in their comments yet, tomorrow is the last day before everything is finalized.

188Glacierman
sep 30, 2023, 6:43 pm

RE: the above-mentioned newsletter to accompany the book when shipped. It is done! Griffin is in possession of the print-ready file. It runs to four pages and I wrote it in the general manner of the LEC monthly letter. Mark & I fiddled with the design & text until we were both happy.

One more thing to look forward to!

189ChestnutPress
sep 30, 2023, 7:30 pm

>188 Glacierman: Who doesn’t love a good newsletter. Plus, it gives a load of info on the edition not divulged elsewhere!

190koszakedv
okt 2, 2023, 8:01 am

>188 Glacierman:
Great news. Thanks for your effort in realising this.

191grifgon
okt 8, 2023, 2:00 am

Resurfacing for a minute from the shipping tornado in my workshop! A few quick updates on Sinuhe:

1. Mark and Richard have signed off on the layout and handed the hot potato for me for one last look. I could find no issues! After about fifty readings done by over a dozen proofreaders, I think this thing is clean as a whistle.

2. Our timing has been a little less than ideal, because Max Koch took on another project in September which will drag into the end of October. So, he won't be able to begin printing for another several weeks.

3. This means that we'll miss our window of opportunity for me to bring the sheets to Parkinson for his signature in late October.

4. With that in mind, I'm glad we polled the members about their patience for getting Parkinson's signature. We'll take a look at the next opportunity for riskless signing once the edition is printed.

That's all for now folks!

192ChestnutPress
okt 8, 2023, 11:34 am

>191 grifgon: Magnificent news that it’s signed off from both a textual and layout-error point of view! I am relieved!!

193Glacierman
okt 8, 2023, 4:00 pm

194ChestnutPress
okt 9, 2023, 3:59 am

>193 Glacierman: I can finally draw a line under that job and put it away! 🥳

Hopefully, Max will get to printing it before too long, as it would be lovely to see this finally out.

195venkysuniverse
nov 9, 2023, 4:27 pm

Thanks a lot for the updates. Really excited!

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