noir/hardboiled what the difference?

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noir/hardboiled what the difference?

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1SimonW11
aug 1, 2010, 9:12 am

anyone?

2quartzite
Redigerat: aug 1, 2011, 8:53 pm

For me hard-boiled is more straight forward it tries to be realistic by portraying violence starkly and with heroes as comfortable with violence as the villains, but retaining a world of fairly clear cut good guys vs. bad guys, even both are equally hard-hitting, hard drinking, hard swearing, and hard on their women.

Noir seek to be realistic in a different way by recognizing the good and bad in both sides, either by having flawed and damaged heroes who struggle with the dark side and temptation, or even making the criminals the protaganists. Good and bad guys are equally likely to come to a bad end or at best ambivalent end and any goodness is a constantly threatened candle in the darkness.

3JFHilborne
Redigerat: jul 31, 2011, 9:46 pm

Good question. I agree with quartzite's description. I think of noir as maybe not as brutal but far darker, with more disturbing elements.

4LJ_Reading
aug 3, 2011, 2:23 pm

Using movies as an example, I'd classify "The Untouchables" as hard-boiled but non noir, "The Third Man" as noir but not hard-boiled, and "Chinatown" as both hard-boiled and noir.

5JMPorup
sep 25, 2012, 12:28 pm

Noir is the atmosphere, the world. Hardboiled is the character, the attitude. For instance, Roger Smith's books are full-on noir, but not hardboiled, because the main characters are ordinary, everyday kinds of people (as opposed to a bitter, cynical, snarky hardboiled hero).

6SimonW11
sep 25, 2012, 2:06 pm

5> oh like that nice summary

7oldmysfan
sep 28, 2012, 8:08 pm

I noticed that this group shows 376 members. I may be seeing this wrong, but a lot of the posts seem old. I love these books and hope I am viewing this all wrong as far as group activity.???

I am fairly new to LibraryThing and certainly could be messed up.

8quartzite
sep 29, 2012, 1:56 am

Smaller groups like this one tend have pretty sporadic posting.

9mysterymax
jan 24, 2013, 8:54 am

One of the main differences is that a 'hard-boiled' detective is one who is brought in from the outside (of the crime) to solve the case and in 'noir' the protagonist is tied directly to the crime (he/she is involved somehow)

10SimonW11
jan 24, 2013, 8:53 pm

nods with noir it is personal.

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