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The Thistle and the Rose (1963)

av Jean Plaidy

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Serier: The Tudor Princesses, Tudor Saga (8)

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5081247,978 (3.63)23
Princess Margaret Tudor is the greatest prize when her father, Henry VII, negotiates the Treaty of Perpetual Peace with neighboring Scotland. The betrothal is meant to end decades of bloody border wars, but it becomes a love match: To Margaret's surprise, she finds joy in her marriage to the dashing James IV of Scotland, a man sixteen years her senior. But the marriage, and the peace it brings to both nations, does not last. When King James is struck down by the armies of Henry VIII, Margaret, Princess of England, but Queen of Scotland, finds herself torn between loyalty to the land and family of her birth and to that of her baby son, now King of the Scots. She decides to remain in Scotland and carve out her own destiny, surviving a scandalous second marriage and battling with both her son and her brother to the very end. Like all the Tudors, Margaret's life would be one of turmoil and controversy, but through her descendants, England and Scotland would unite as one nation, under one rule, and find peace.… (mer)
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I've definitely got mixed feelings about this one. This author churned out over 200 works in her lifetime (under pseudonyms like Victoria Holt and Philippa Carr) so one assumes that some, like this one, can't be super deep. On the one hand, the fact that it was very juvenilely written makes it a great way to quickly and easily learn some basics of Tudor history. On the other hand, the story reads more like a transcription of ordered events than a novel read for pleasure. I decided to take the book as a simple introduction to this branch of the family but will be looking for something more detailed and interesting in the future.

Margaret was portrayed as a very simple and naive woman. I found it hard to believe that she would not be aware of her first husband, the King's, children and reputation with women prior to marrying him. I highly doubt her childhood was innocent and idyllic enough to leave her ignorant to his reputation and politics, in general. In this account, Margaret turned desperate fast and lived desperately until she died---always in need of a man's attentions. I'm not totally sure this was really the case since, according to this account, she willingly left her husbands on multiple occasions.

To sum it up, there was a lot of summing it up in this story. At one point, I read something like "she had not seen him for several years", when she'd actually been with him just two pages earlier. Lots of skipping ahead and "wrapping it up". Lots of flippant attitudes: So and so child died---oh well, there would be others.

I don't know that I'll actively seek out this author again but if I come across something that seems interesting, I might talk myself into it. ( )
  classyhomemaker | Dec 11, 2023 |
Margaret Tudor is a fascinating woman who is overshadowed by her larger than life younger brother, Henry VIII, King of England. While he was beheading his wives, Margaret is setting precedents in Scotland like a true girlboss. Still, she can't be boiled down to a stereotype. She's a complex woman who, like her brother, is searching for love and trying to hold onto her throne for her son, but it is difficult for a monarch to achieve both goals. Jean Plaidy shows just how much Margaret struggled, even if I sometimes felt there was a note of derision in the narration.

Margaret's life is extremely eventful, even for a royal. After leaving England at 13 to meet her groom, the King of Scotland, she grows up in a foreign land. She is barraged by sorrows as one child after another dies. Finally, she has two healthy sons, but her husband is unfaithful, which devastates her notion of romance. That said, an unfaithful husband is better than a dead one. This is when Margaret's life spirals out of control. She marries twice more, both times thinking it's for love only to be deceived again. She travels back and forth to England to seek refuge. She procures a scandalous divorce and liberates herself when women were often the victims being divorced. Her story is as empowering as it is tragic.

Plaidy mainly focuses on Margaret's love affairs rather than her dogged efforts to be with her son and control his education. For the most part, it seems that Plaidy pins everything bad that happens to Margaret on her inability to control her passions. I've also read Philippa Gregory's Three Sisters, Three Queens novel, which also focuses on Margaret but with a more empowering spin, I feel. I like to think that, while love was important to Margaret, sexual and romantic love didn't guide her in everything. She is a tenacious woman, and I wish Plaidy had focused more on that. This is why I docked it a star.

That said, Plaidy's novel ends more realistically than Gregory's. Gregory leads readers to believe that the third time's the charm and that Margaret will live happily ever after in her final marriage. Not so, and Plaidy makes sure her readers realize this sad course of events. It really is sad, and you sympathize for Margaret, even though it seems like Plaidy is trying to moralize a bit and blame Margaret for causing her own unhappiness.

This novel was written in 3rd person POV. Generally, I find that Plaidy's novels that do this are weaker than her novels that focus on a single character. However, I felt like this novel was pretty strong. I understood a good amount of Scottish and English politics, and it didn't feel overwhelming ever. It's a quick read too, not even 300 pages. Highly recommend this book to anyone who loves the Tudors. This tenacious woman should not be overlooked. After all, she ultimately wins the war of succession, as it's her great-grandson who eventually rules over both England and Scotland. ( )
  readerbug2 | Nov 16, 2023 |
Thoroughly enjoyed this book. Told a deep dive story into the life of Princess Margaret (Henry VIII's eldest sister) and her life. It reflects her struggles, hopes and many disappointments along the way. The book portrays her as desperately wanting love in her life and never achieving it. It shows her difficult struggles in trying to obtain divorces, claim regency of her son and what an exhausting life she had (although much of it was caused by her imo). It did seem that the book went at a nice pace but then near the end it was a race to the finish and I don't know why but I loved the book as I seem to do with all Jean Plaidy novels. ( )
  ChrisCaz | Feb 23, 2021 |
Since I've rarely found the history of Merry Olde slave trading England to be compelling reading,
it was welcome to find Margaret Tudor an intriguing and unusual woman for her times.

While her husband, James II of Scotland, waffled around with his mistresses and poor border war decisions,
she grew in confidence as a Queen, though not in her odd (for that time) expectations to be loved by a faithful man.
The horrors she endured in childbirth remind readers of the good in modern medicine!

A map would have been really welcome, as would more details about how poor people and farmers actually lived,
plus a call-out on animal cruelty. ( )
  m.belljackson | Jan 17, 2021 |
Of the Tudor family, Margaret is the one I'm least familiar with. My knowledge of Scottish history is also scant, therefore the majority of events covered in this novel were new to me.

Although I also enjoyed "The Thistle and the Rose" in the most part, the author's style prevents it from being better than it could be. Too much “telling”, not “showing”, is always Plaidy's biggest problem. ( )
  PhilSyphe | Feb 28, 2020 |
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Princess Margaret Tudor is the greatest prize when her father, Henry VII, negotiates the Treaty of Perpetual Peace with neighboring Scotland. The betrothal is meant to end decades of bloody border wars, but it becomes a love match: To Margaret's surprise, she finds joy in her marriage to the dashing James IV of Scotland, a man sixteen years her senior. But the marriage, and the peace it brings to both nations, does not last. When King James is struck down by the armies of Henry VIII, Margaret, Princess of England, but Queen of Scotland, finds herself torn between loyalty to the land and family of her birth and to that of her baby son, now King of the Scots. She decides to remain in Scotland and carve out her own destiny, surviving a scandalous second marriage and battling with both her son and her brother to the very end. Like all the Tudors, Margaret's life would be one of turmoil and controversy, but through her descendants, England and Scotland would unite as one nation, under one rule, and find peace.

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