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Dhalgren av Samuel R. Delany
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Dhalgren (urspr publ 1975; utgåvan 2001)

av Samuel R. Delany (Författare)

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Nebula Award Finalist: Reality has come unglued and a mad civilization takes root in Bellona, in this science fiction classic.   A young half-Native American known as the Kid has hitchhiked from Mexico to the midwestern city Bellona--only something is wrong there . . . In Bellona, the shattered city, a nameless cataclysm has left reality unhinged. Into this desperate metropolis steps the Kid, his fist wrapped in razor-sharp knives, to write, to love, to wound.   So begins Dhalgren, Samuel R. Delany's masterwork, which in 1975 opened a new door for what science fiction could mean. A labyrinth of a novel, it raises questions about race, sexuality, identity, and art, but gives no easy answers, in a city that reshapes itself with each step you take . . .   This ebook features an illustrated biography of Samuel R. Delany including rare images from his early career.  … (mer)
Medlem:MargotWeiss
Titel:Dhalgren
Författare:Samuel R. Delany (Författare)
Info:Vintage (2001), Edition: New edition, 816 pages
Samlingar:Scifi and Fantasy
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Dhalgren av Samuel R. Delany (1975)

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It's tough to review this, as what I had initially expected going into this and what I actually got were two very different things. I think the first half of it works really well, but there's some poorly-defined point about halfway through where I realized that Delany had lost me and I ended up pushing myself through to finish it. Someone more prepared for the more formally experimental parts might be more into it, though. ( )
  skolastic | Feb 2, 2021 |
This book sold over a million copies. I wish there was a graph that showed how far each reader made it through.

This is my experience.

I bought Dahlgren in the year of its publication, 1975, 3rd printing. Sometime probably around 2015, I started my first read. (I should add I have read tons of SF and Fantasy since the 1960's.) I made it over 300 pages, then my attention flagged and I moved on.

During this Pandemic Year of 2020, I picked it up again, tried to read from where I left off, but could not pickup the thread. So I decided to start over. (I sometimes find that with more challenging reads, if I reread the beginning and invest the time fully to understand what is going on and any seeded mysteries to be solved, it gives me the momentum I need to make more enjoyable progress. And the opening to the novel is very compelling. Daphne!) But, once again, my momentum flagged a wee bit further along this time, around page 400, and died this morning (RIP) on page 456.

So what to make of this? Well, for one, I started to suspect that maybe there was nothing to solve, that it just wasn't that kind of book, but, instead, one in which plot is totally subordinated to character and setting. (No spoiler alert since I do not know if my intuition is correct.) If this is the case, the reader is then fully dependent on the interest in the moment to carry one through.

Moreover, I was sure that there was no more pleasure to be had in Bollona for me. This is not to say that there had been no pleasure along its smoky streets.

Finally, disturbingly, all of my other reading is in a holding queue governed by a negative correlation: the queue grows as my ability to turn pages in Dahlgren decreases. (This raises thorny questions like "Should Baldwin's Go Tell It on the Mountain languish behind Dahlgren?")

My final judgment on Delany's work goes no further than to report that I have twice failed to finish it, but that I am glad I made each attempt. It was not a waste of time, but it has now become a waste of energy. I am a boomer. "Time's wingèd chariot [is] hurrying near."

Some decisions are just pragmatic. Moving along... ( )
  tsgood | Nov 1, 2020 |
I read this many, many years ago when it first came out and it really caught something of the time, like a whiff of the spirit that moved some of us then. I came back to it not knowing how it would fare in this age or indeed how I would fare.

I was enthralled from the get go. To me it had lost nothing of the magic that it brings, not bright, shiny, dragon magic but dirty, filthy, deranged magic. Reading it again it brought back so much of that age, the aimless drifting, the random groups of people and their stupid rules or ideas and sheer unknowingness that made it all seem like a great adventure, which indeed it was, but to the pedestrians and tourists it looked like a filthy, debauched happening, which indeed it was too. The drugs and happenings. How two groups can see the same thing so differently, one lot in the current swimming naked and the other group on the banks pointing out how sensible they are for not swimming but ogling the girls tits all the same.

The impostors, like Frank, who appeared more regularly as time went on and never felt the spirit running through them never felt time running through them never felt connected and who only saw easy sex and gullible hippies but never for a moment realised how transparent they were and who also never noticed that one by one we slipped away until it was only them left in their shop bought outfits mouthing the words but missing it all.

I also liked how he caught the cultishness of the time too, how some people were pushed up to near mythic status when they were “just a bum like one of us” as the song says. Jack Kerouac, Ken Kesey, Emmett Grogan, Timothy Leary, Tariq Ali, Abi Hoffman and others. But when, if you really looked around, you could see acts of bravery and vision by unknowns all around you.

I loved the ever changing vista of the city and the shifting landmarks how that reflected the social structure which really was shifting at the time, the uncertainty and fear that this engendered in the rest. That family in the apartment and their futile struggle to maintain appearances, they represented the rest that were not part of the force for change.

I could go on but obviously you can clearly see where I am in all this. I am just so impressed at how much Samuel Delaney manages to capture of that age in this one book and wrap it up in a mythical setting so we can see it so clearly. ( )
  Ken-Me-Old-Mate | Sep 24, 2020 |
If Tales of Neveryon sparked my love affair with the works of Samuel Delany, this novel absolutely cemented it for all time. Perhaps the single most challenging piece of writing I've ever read, it confronts and questions the very act of reading itself.

That, on top of the layers upon layers of socio-sexual-cultural-economic-political examination that are Mr. Delany's forte. ( )
  johnthelibrarian | Aug 11, 2020 |
I'm sure this has been said before, but this is a very difficult book to review. So much is happening and very little of it has a straight-line plot unless you tackle this in seven sections and treat it as a mystery rite each time in the full awareness that Delaney is messing with us heavily.

In what way, you ask?

Ignore the fact that this reads more like a heavily-invested tome of mythic allusions in the style of the greats of traditional fiction and focus instead on the topics that Delaney holds closest to his heart: Sex and Literary Criticism. :)

Huh?

Well, this is a porn book. No doubt about it. Every other page has Kid getting it on with women, men, women and men, and the variety of perversions never made any single act the same as before. Kid loves his sex. Polyamory? You betcha. This novel is considered to be one of the quintessential classics of the sixties, but don't let that fool you. Delaney doesn't just go for the raunch, he's also bypassing class issues by the magical realism setting and tackling race issues instead. This takes up a lot of the novel and he has a lot to say.

The second big part of this novel, in my opinion, has everything to do with Art and Criticism. Kid is a poet, but beyond that, he lives a magical life like Peter Pan, always looking young and acting young and not giving a crap about anything other than his pleasure for the most part... however, this is tempered by his craft in his poetry and the way he appears to grow up when he sets aside his words.

This is kinda scary, actually, since Delaney himself gave up writing even though he is so well-beloved in the field. He, as Kid, grew up and didn't care when "his poetry was burned", no matter how many people wanted to be outraged and demanded that he produce more. Ignore the long "reasons" for writing and the heavy lit-crit terms that Delaney has his main character use to meta his way through the creation process within this novel. Even Kid says that it'll dissolve in your stomach after you eat it. :)

These are serious themes throughout, but let's not forget that this is SF and Fantasy in the biggest sense of the word. What's fantasy about it? Patchwork society, for one. There's always enough food, there's no law and order, big population pressure is out of the picture, and then there's a few unexplained weirdnesses usual with magical realism, too. The SF if mind-blowingly weird and it, too, is never explained. The sun is expanding and going red? What of the second moon? The unexplained time-effects? The disappearance of the biggest part of the population when they observed the initial event, leaving only those who missed it behind? Pretty fun stuff. We've even got ourselves an astronaut. :)

And then, of course, it's a dystopia, but it's more an anarchic state that lets everyone toss the rules and do whatever they want rather than a focus on violence, which is kinda refreshing on that level for any kind of dystopia, however unrealistic.

But is this novel unrealistic? No. Never in the writing. It's always down-to-earth and full of detail. It's easy to ignore the glaring plot holes or universe-holes or whatever is going on because someone is always getting off or trying to make sense of social issues. No one ever talks about what's happening in the big picture, or if they do, it's always, always incomplete.

I think this novel is meant to be an experience rather than something to parse out. There's no grand design or plot to latch on to. It's all about the journey, and not always about the character journey, either, but rather an exploration of social mores when morals are thrown out the door, discovering what is left.

It's very ambitious. So why don't I give it a 5 star? Because it also annoys me. I appreciate everything he's done in the novel, and yet it feels a bit too alien, a bit too disjointed. I couldn't get over the inconsistencies of the world or of human nature. ( )
  bradleyhorner | Jun 1, 2020 |
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Nebula Award Finalist: Reality has come unglued and a mad civilization takes root in Bellona, in this science fiction classic.   A young half-Native American known as the Kid has hitchhiked from Mexico to the midwestern city Bellona--only something is wrong there . . . In Bellona, the shattered city, a nameless cataclysm has left reality unhinged. Into this desperate metropolis steps the Kid, his fist wrapped in razor-sharp knives, to write, to love, to wound.   So begins Dhalgren, Samuel R. Delany's masterwork, which in 1975 opened a new door for what science fiction could mean. A labyrinth of a novel, it raises questions about race, sexuality, identity, and art, but gives no easy answers, in a city that reshapes itself with each step you take . . .   This ebook features an illustrated biography of Samuel R. Delany including rare images from his early career.  

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