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The Darkness that Comes Before: The Prince…
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The Darkness that Comes Before: The Prince of Nothing, Book One (urspr publ 2003; utgåvan 2008)

av R. Scott Bakker (Författare)

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Two thousand years have passed since Mog-Pharau, the No-God, last walked among Men. Two thousand years have passed since the Apocalypse. In a world wrenched by holy war and devastation, a sorcerer, a concubine, and a warrior find themselves captivated by a mysterious traveller from lands long thought dead, a man who makes weapons of insight and revelation. Unable to distinguish the passion that elevates from the passion that enslaves, they fall ever deeper under his thrall, while what begins as a war of Men against Men threatens to become the first battle of the Second Apocalypse.… (mer)
Medlem:VincentBobbe
Titel:The Darkness that Comes Before: The Prince of Nothing, Book One
Författare:R. Scott Bakker (Författare)
Info:The Overlook Press (2008), 608 pages
Samlingar:Ditt bibliotek
Betyg:*****
Taggar:Ingen/inga

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The Darkness That Comes Before av R. Scott Bakker (2003)

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I am torn between the enjoyment I had in discovering a world open and develop through the course of the book, and the reality that I had to skip over sections of it and even then got way more graphic descriptions of brutal darkness than I ever want to read.

The author builds a fascinating world; complex, unpredictable, full of surprises. A complex magical system, deep history, and religions that drive people to deep piety and fanaticism at the same time. Conflicted characters, some quite well developed. A plot full of twists and turns and revelations that keep you guessing. Plus, a slowly revealed and diabolical enemy, and a hero / anti-hero whose motivations and goals are revealed gradually.

On the other hand, it is dark. Violence aplenty. Graphical sex. Sexual violence, in spades. Torture, madness, brutality. This is not a horror story; but it is dark. I skipped over sections at a time, and still got more graphic sexual abuse and violence than I ever wanted out of a book.

One particular beef I had was the battles. Reading the battle scenes, you get the impression that everyone is dying. Yet somehow there are always enough people left to fight in the next even bigger battle. Granted that the first part may be communicating the "feel" of battle, it still was hard to connect the two things.

The story pulled me in; the plot was gripping, and the world mesmerizing. The graphic violence, particularly sexual, made it much harder to enjoy. I skipped over enough of that to still enjoy the book - partly because by the time the depths of it were obvious, I was sucked in. But there are very few people that I could recommend this to.
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  jercox | Jun 2, 2021 |
A solid 4.5 star read.

The things I loved about this book:

The language. Bakker's use of language is impressive. He manages to convey a sense of the epic, the utter seriousness and gravity of the situation, as well as the profound emotional threads running through the story. There is, to me at least, an innate balance to his language that makes this book a pleasure to read.

The character(s) - I loved Achamian. He felt like a character I could understand and empathise with. Cnaiur and Kellhus are both impressive in their own right, but Achamian is my favourite PoV. I look forward to his futher developments.

What I liked about this book

The worldbuilding - Superficially its a medieval crusage analogue and its easy enough to point out the main pillars of the world. But there are some interesting twists and I think that this world has a lot of potential, if only it can break out of the crusading storyline in the end.

What I disliked

The female characters - I have no problem with broken characters. Seeing Esmenet's struggle was interesting. But, too often the female characters come off as too weak, too emotional, or too dependent on the male characters. Also some of their actions make no sense. Why would Esmenet give away the gold coin when it could have made her journey comfortable?

I am concerned about whether this is a first book issue or a persistent one.


Anyway, I am now invested in this series, and I am eager to see where the story goes. ( )
  Andorion | Feb 6, 2021 |
According to reviews, this is a slow and boring start to an amazing series.
  Yugmodnar829 | Nov 11, 2020 |
I both had a very hard time with this book and I also really appreciated it. That is to say, I hated aspects of it and found other parts boring and/or way overblown, while other parts were quite delightful and pushing the boundaries.

So... wait... did you like it?

No. Honestly, I didn't like it much at all. The women were all weak and were all portrayed as whores, but to be fair, most WERE. Long stretches of PoV were from a whore. For reals. But that's not everything. We have a prince of a kingdom who is a military genius plotting everything, we have a holy war and many personages working to rule the world. We have a great No-God evil coming back from the deep past and an apocalypse on its way.

And violence for violence's sake? Yes. This is Grimdark. It is what it is and a lot of people love this. It's also a very close cousin to the Malazan series. Complicated worldbuilding, a magic system that's more mystery and sometimes surprising, and generally.... no way to know what the hell is going on.

You know, unless you're using cheat sheets.

But there was one character, a certain sociopathic philosopher-monk who is mostly a dry Machiavelli, who stole the show. I DID like him. His clear thoughts and bloodless personality belie a true gift for bloodying others. He was fun. But he's only a single character in a long list of epic grimdark characters in this novel.

Do I feel up for the challenge of continuing?

Not really. Maybe someday. But not today. Too much work for the payoff at this time. ( )
  bradleyhorner | Jun 1, 2020 |
The first book in a dark fantasy series set in a Middle Ages setting with a large cast of characters that are all unique, interesting, and exciting to read. The author throws you in the middle right in the beginning, which means I was lost the start of the book. It can jump from character to character quickly. Each character is a well-written character though and I was always excited when the protagonist changed. It focuses on a political drama during war. There is a lot of worldbuilding with interesting cultures, religion, and motivations. The magic is light and reads more like historic fiction. I really enjoyed this book and will be continuing on with the series. ( )
  renbedell | Mar 3, 2019 |
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Two thousand years have passed since Mog-Pharau, the No-God, last walked among Men. Two thousand years have passed since the Apocalypse. In a world wrenched by holy war and devastation, a sorcerer, a concubine, and a warrior find themselves captivated by a mysterious traveller from lands long thought dead, a man who makes weapons of insight and revelation. Unable to distinguish the passion that elevates from the passion that enslaves, they fall ever deeper under his thrall, while what begins as a war of Men against Men threatens to become the first battle of the Second Apocalypse.

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