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Dune Messiah (Dune Chronicles, Book 2) (urspr publ 1969; utgåvan 1987)

av Frank Herbert

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The sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit plots to seize control of the galaxy-wide empire of their supernatural leader, while on Arrakis, the Maud'dib, the heir to an unimaginable power, confronts new challenges.
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Titel:Dune Messiah (Dune Chronicles, Book 2)
Författare:Frank Herbert
Info:Ace (1987), Edition: 31st THUS, Paperback, 336 pages
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Honestly, I had a lot of trouble figuring out just what Frank Herbert was trying to get across half the time. I might not be cut out for the Dune sequels. We'll see. ( )
  skolastic | Feb 2, 2021 |
Very readable.
But it's full of a lot of pseudo-profound gumph which just feels really weird to read. ( )
  mjhunt | Jan 22, 2021 |
A galactic emperor who killed billions of people is sad about having mind powers.

2/4 (Indifferent).

All the pretentious, self-importance of Dune, without the complexity of story to earn it, or the action/adventure to balance it. ( )
  comfypants | Jan 16, 2021 |
Despite claiming to be a Dune fan all these decades, (I'd probably say it is the book series that has most influenced me morally and culturally) I've never really understood Dune Messiah (honestly the only two books that made perfect sense to me are the first and God Emperor, / my favourite)

But this time around, possible take 3, I refused to read past a chapter without having a theory of what was going on, and the book makes more sense now, and sets up what I always suspected, that books 2-4 at least exist to year down what book 1 set up, that often-hinted-at prophecy vision in Dune 1 that Paul Atreidies' heroic superhuman victory was in fact setting into effect things that were likely worse than the Byzantine Galactica despot empire he was born into.

I am going to write a spoiler review because I think the way this book never explicitly points out the nature and visions of Paul's prescience (and likely Alia's too) is a major flaw of this book, the shifts between when Paul is acting on those visions and when Paul loses those visions is incredibly subtle.

First I will set up the basic spoiler plot summary
1. Scytale (a tleilaxu face dancer), Edric (a guild navigator), Helene Gaius Moheim (the former imperial truthsayer and Lady Jessica's mentor) and Princess Irulan are in a conspiracy to dethrone Paul and regain their own control over the spice. Edric is involved because Navigators are invisible to Paul's Prescience. Irulan, jealous of not bearing Paul's heir to salvage the Atreides bloodline, has been secretly feeding Chani contraceptives to deny Paul a child with his true love.)
2. Paul is unhappy with being an emperor, for the Fremen have lost their ways and gotten used to civilization and become water-fat. He also cannot find a future as to which he does not set off a terrible jihad through his followers.
3. Alia has grown up to be beautiful and a very capable leader in her own right, but entering adulthood has its own problems for the lady who was always a reverand mother.
4. Edric sets up the conspiracy by presenting Paul with a ghola (a tleilaxu-made clone) of Duncan Idaho, called Hayt. Hayt is a different person than Duncan and knows it, but memories bleed through, and this fascinates him and troubles him. He knows he has been sent to Paul as some part of trick, but he also swears loyalty as a mentat and a zensunni advisor. Apparently Scytale's plans must always offer an out.
5. (I am skipping over a lot of the setup for actions to focus on the parts that confused me. Scytale sets up his plan by killing and adopting the identity of a daughter of a old Fedaykin. Alia and Hayt investigate the death of a mystery woman (this daughter) and form a troubled attraction to each other. I am honestly still confused as to why this daughter was picked, other than to show that some Fremen of Paul's early days have been left behind in all this imperial pomp)
6. Paul has a vision. The book explicitly shows it as a moon descending into water, but he realizes somehow the conspiracy, that Chani will die giving birth, but that this is the only way to avoid the great jihad. It is not clear to me if he had suspected before either of these.
7. Paul is visited by Scytale disguised as that old fedaykin's daughter). He knows he is a tleilaxu face dancer now. Paul patronizes him but effectively also keeps him under close guard. While the plan was for him and Chani to go visit a house and get sprung by a trap, Paul goes alone.
8. Paul visits the house. The father and mother seem loyal to Paul, but are suffering. They moved here to watch another house where Fremen conspire against Paul. They offer him a dwarf who has prescient powers but also the names of conspirators. (Scytale earlier mentioned that the tleilaxu made a kwizach haderach themselves but it was a disappointment; was it this dwarf?)
9. As Paul orders men to move against the house of conspirators, a stone burner (atomics) are set off, blinding then, including Paul, who knew this had to be as part of his vision to escape the jihad. Paul now moves as if he can see, but that is by relying on the visions of prophecy. We learn here I think how the prescience works, he sees actual sight with impeccable detail of his future visions, but he is locked into a single one now and cannot deviate (probably because the other ones all result in Jihad so are to be a avoided)
10. Chani takes the water of life to counteract the contraceptives (she has figured it out herself). It will make the birth difficult. Paul interacts with her knowing she will die.
11. Hayt interrogates the dwarf, but the dwarf sets up some kind of preprogrammed sequence in him that will trigger him to kill Paul when Paul reveals that Chani is gone. Hayt does not remember this but suspects it based on things he notices, and warns Paul. Paul seems to not mind.
12. Paul takes a bunch of people to a sietch so Chani can give birth. She does. And dies. Paul expects to see a daughter. He triggers Hayt, but Hayt/Idaho's loyalty to Paul overcomes the command but also melds Idaho and Hayt together. The Ghola is Idaho now. Paul has achieved his vision path and is now truly blind.
13. Paul goes to see Chani and discovers both a daughter but also a son he never saw in visions. Scytale is there, and is revealed. Scytale threatens the children but also demands Paul make a ghola of Chani while giving up his CHOAM (economic) power. Paul realizes his son is sending him vision from his vantage point, which Paul uses to throw a knife and kill Scytale. The son has been born prescient, obviously through the water of life taken by Chani.
14. The dwarf reveals that the tleilaxu had this second plan to awaken gholas to full memories (better for them.) He still offers Paul a new Ghola of Chani, but Paul has the dwarf killed because the temptation is too strong even though doing so will still allow a future where jihad is unleashed and his family suffers.
15. Paul sets up Alia as a regent for the children, and goes off into the desert to (presumably) die in the traditional Fremen way. It had been hinted all along this book that many traditional Fremen are disturbed by a blind Fremen being allowed to live with the tribe (those who become infirm traditionally must offer themselves to the desert) and there were undertones through the book of people feeling Paul had corrupted the traditional Fremen way of life through imperial opulence (required to hold galactic power) so this shows him being Fremen till the end which returns him to good graces.
Irulan, who is grief stricken that her plans resulted in the death of Paul (and I guess she was in love with him, given she spent all her royal consort time writing books about him, or maybe didn't intend for Chani to die given she and Chani seemed like mutually trusted advisors of Paul) offers to raise the children.
FIN

Some unresolved things ... It is mentioned that Emperor Shaddam still lives, exiled to Salusa Secundus with a small guard. It is a small point of tension between Irulan and Paul. Does he become a factor again? I am not sure, I do not remember.

Alia overdoses on spice as well, and it is implied that she struggles with herself as someone who ways always born prescient. She sees a future vision of her own child but where will that lead? Also her prescient powers do not match those of Paul (she does not see the things he sees until after, and with great difficulty) possibly because she was not a mentat. Maybe this highlights the point that she has the wisdom of her forebearers in the past, but not the mentat calculations to project those into the future.


The theme of this book, seems to be that whereas the first book was about the triumph of the Fremen way, here we see that victory had sullied it, as well as Paul demonstrating that prescience is as much of a prison as it is a power. This book in many ways is about Paul being flawed as a guide / shaper of humanity, while (knowing that Children of Dune comes next) setting up the next --arguably succesful in a brutal way-- iteration of kwizatch haderach.

My major complaint with this book and perhaps Frank Herbert's writing style in general is that his main concepts are never really telegraphed, requiring a deep and often repeated reading to unlock the great concepts in his books already spilling over with more concepts than most other science fiction would cumulatively release in a year of publication. ( )
  NaleagDeco | Dec 13, 2020 |
I didn't feel this was as good as Dune. The story for me took some surprising twists and went in a way I did not expect. ( )
  Chica3000 | Dec 11, 2020 |
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Such a rich store pf myths enfolds Paul Muad'dib, the Mentat Emperor, and his sister, Alia, it is difficult to see the real persons behind these veils. But there were, after all, a man born Paul Atreides and a woman born Alia. Their flesh was subject to space and time. And even though their oracular powers placed them beyond the usual limits of time and space, they came from human stock. They experienced real events which left traces upon a real universe. To understand them, it must be seen that their catastrophe of all mankind. This work is dedicated, then, not to Muad'dib or his sister, but to thier heirs - to all of us.

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Prologue: Dune is the planet Arrakis, an arid world of great deserts where life survives against terrifying odds.
Analysis of History: Muad'dib by Brons of Ix: Muad'dib's Imperial reign generated more historians than any other era in human history.
Despite the murderous nature of the plot he hoped to devise, the thoughts of Scytale, the Tleilaxu Face Dancer, returned again and again to rueful compassion.
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A shorter version of this book appeared in Galaxy Magazine for July-September, 1969
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