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Just curious: Does anyone here have experience with Anglican hieratic ("Elizabethan") English settings of classic Gregorian pieces?
2janemossendew
Cher Venite,
I know the Anglo Catholic flag-ship church St. Mary's Bourne St. in London very well. (check them out on Google).They sing all their plainchant in English. When I'm in London next week I'll talk to the musical director who's a friend and find out exactly what books they use. And post when I get back towards the end of the month, although may find the stray PC and do it earlier. Going to be quite a trip. (Come to think of it I could email him if I have time before departure on Tuesday. I was thinking of inviting him to LT and our group in any case.)
Reared in the Latin tradition as I am, both as listener and practitioner, I admit to being prejudiced against Gregorian set to English before I first heard the Bourne St. Choir. I didn't think it could work. At Bourne St. it does. But it has to be said that their choir is of great prestige in London and its members are paid, All are professional musicians. One soprano runs her own medieval song group and is a producer on Radio 3.
Anyway back to the Chant. It's all to do, I think, with the Oxford Movement having resurrected the Old Sarum Rite, which pre-dates so-called Gregorian.
They wanted their Chant to be English in its origins and of course Sarum is Salisbury. There are two sellers on ebay who specialise in chant books, RC and Anglo C. One is 'Sacerdote'. based in England and the other is in the States. Will send further details if you're interested. I've bought wonderful stuff from both of them. Sone of it is original and some of it copied but both are a wonderful resource for those interested in the tradition.
Then of course there's all the stuff written by Byrd, Tallis et al., although much of that is polyphonic. Those guys were amazing in that they managed to keep their heads on their shoulders by being capable of writing sublime music in both Latin and English, during the period when the soil of England was soaked with the blood of her martyrs on both sides of the divide.
Are you thinking of the specifically Anglican Method of singing and 'pointing' the Psalms? I haven't made a study of it's history and development but it's still sung in most English Cathedrals even though the parishes have thrown out Cranmer and the BCP, much as we have largely thrown out our heritage.
I think I ought to post this on Catholic Tradition but it's time for bed. Get back to me if you think I can help further, Cheers and
Pax as always,
Jane
I know the Anglo Catholic flag-ship church St. Mary's Bourne St. in London very well. (check them out on Google).They sing all their plainchant in English. When I'm in London next week I'll talk to the musical director who's a friend and find out exactly what books they use. And post when I get back towards the end of the month, although may find the stray PC and do it earlier. Going to be quite a trip. (Come to think of it I could email him if I have time before departure on Tuesday. I was thinking of inviting him to LT and our group in any case.)
Reared in the Latin tradition as I am, both as listener and practitioner, I admit to being prejudiced against Gregorian set to English before I first heard the Bourne St. Choir. I didn't think it could work. At Bourne St. it does. But it has to be said that their choir is of great prestige in London and its members are paid, All are professional musicians. One soprano runs her own medieval song group and is a producer on Radio 3.
Anyway back to the Chant. It's all to do, I think, with the Oxford Movement having resurrected the Old Sarum Rite, which pre-dates so-called Gregorian.
They wanted their Chant to be English in its origins and of course Sarum is Salisbury. There are two sellers on ebay who specialise in chant books, RC and Anglo C. One is 'Sacerdote'. based in England and the other is in the States. Will send further details if you're interested. I've bought wonderful stuff from both of them. Sone of it is original and some of it copied but both are a wonderful resource for those interested in the tradition.
Then of course there's all the stuff written by Byrd, Tallis et al., although much of that is polyphonic. Those guys were amazing in that they managed to keep their heads on their shoulders by being capable of writing sublime music in both Latin and English, during the period when the soil of England was soaked with the blood of her martyrs on both sides of the divide.
Are you thinking of the specifically Anglican Method of singing and 'pointing' the Psalms? I haven't made a study of it's history and development but it's still sung in most English Cathedrals even though the parishes have thrown out Cranmer and the BCP, much as we have largely thrown out our heritage.
I think I ought to post this on Catholic Tradition but it's time for bed. Get back to me if you think I can help further, Cheers and
Pax as always,
Jane
3vpfluke
My Episcopal parish in New York City (Church of the Holy Apostles) will frequently sing one canticle or psalm in Anglican chant, and then another psalm in Gregorian chant on a Sunday. The church is a high/broad church mixture, but the music director, David Hurd, is a professor at General Theological Seminary down the street from the parish. As done at CHA, Gregorian chant is done in unison, but Anglican chant usually has a four-part setting. Anglican chant also has a "melody" that runs over two verses.
